From: steven.j.nelson@xxxxxx
Date: Tue Jun 25 2002 - 18:43:35 GMT-3
Rick, Malcolm you are all right.
Paul deserves better than this, he's had a go.
As far as I am concerned the tossers who shout NDA about this sort thing
should just put up or shut up, I mean it's not like he said "Oh on my lab
isdn was X and X and I only got 78%", my answer to them is get a life...
All the bset
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm Price [mailto:malcolm@lanbase.com]
Sent: 25 June 2002 19:40
To: ccielab
Subject: RE: My lab experience
Well said Rick, I personaly can't see nothing wrong in what's been said so
far. We are only trying to help each other. It'll be hard enough on the day
without splitting hairs.
Keep up the good work,
Malcolm
Malcolm Price M.Phil. MBCS C.Eng. CCNP
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Bauer, Rick
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 6:49 PM
To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
Subject: RE: My lab experience
Didn't you cut and paste that? So then you are equally as guilty. Black and
white, right? If it bugs you that much, report the violation.
Rick, CCIE 9482
-----Original Message-----
From: David Wolsefer [mailto:DWolsefer@totality.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 12:25 PM
To: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
Subject: RE: My lab experience
There is no question about it. This is a black and white violation. Here is
the test from my score report:
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THIS SCORE REPORT SHOULD NOT BE FORWARDED, IT IS INTENDED FOR INFORMATIONAL
PURPOSES ONLY BY THE CANDIDATE, AND IT IS A NDA VIOLATION TO SHARE IT.
****************************************************************************
Regards,
David Wolsefer, CCIE #5858
-----Original Message-----
From: chris@pacinter.net [mailto:chris@pacinter.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:56 AM
To: McCallum, Robert; 'Paul'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: My lab experience
How is discussing your score report a violation? As long as you don't cover
any portion of the test you are still in good standing. If I tell someone I
scored 8% on BGP how is that violating the NDA!? It isn't, it is only
telling someone how poorly I did on a particular section. A violation of the
NDA would be releasing any information related to the exam itself. If he was
to ask a question that was specifically on his lab, then that would be a
violation, simply sharing percentages is not!
-c
----- Original Message -----
From: "McCallum, Robert" <Robert.McCallum@let-it-be-thus.com>
To: "'Paul'" <sixfooter777@btopenworld.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: RE: My lab experience
> You do know that discussing your score report in anyway is a violation of
the NDA !!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul [mailto:sixfooter777@btopenworld.com]
> Sent: 25 June 2002 15:53
> To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: My lab experience
>
>
> I took my lab yesterday in Brussels. It was my first go and unfortunately
I
> didn't make it thru. However I think it's a good thing for hopefully some
of
> you who are awaiting you lab date and also myself to say a few words about
> the lab itself.
>
> Like other posts I have read, the lab is very much doable and yes time is
a
> factor but not as much as you might think. I personally had a couple of
> hours spare to revisit a few things and find a few more mistakes I had
made.
>
> The test itself is more about not what they ask you to do but what they
> don't ask you to do and apparently as long as you don't do something they
> forbid you to do and it works then that's fine.
>
> The proctor I had in Brussels was a good guy and had a good attitude which
> was "there's your booklet, get on with it" and they left you alone which
was
> fine.
>
> Now my whinge. The scoring on the exam is in points and there are
sections.
> The results you get for each section are in percentages. OK, you can
roughly
> convert points into percentages but to me, the whole marking system is a
big
> grey area and one that Cisco really need to address. On the 2-day lab I
> would have had some idea on where I would have gone wrong. Now, I am
totally
> in the dark. For example, I thought I'd got the Dial section 100 per cent
> but I get 60 per cent. Why ? I will never know. Show me any book or
> experiences that will help me here. It seems that another factor in the
lab
> exam is insider knowledge and that is wrong. With the majority of
candidates
> I suspect financing their lab exam privately and without the help of
> expensive training sources ( just by private lab practice ), many of us
are
> at a disservice.
>
> I hate to say it but it seems the CCIE is more about who you know than
what
> you know and that's why I won't probably continue on this path because I
> don't have deep pockets but for all of you that aspire, good luck.
>
> Paul.
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