From: Jason Sinclair (sinclairj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Jun 20 2002 - 22:30:08 GMT-3
Guys,
Let's think about this - is an already CCIE going to risk their cert sitting
for someone else? I think the answer to that is no. Now if someone doesn't
have the CCIE will they pass for someone else or would they rather their
name there? I think the answer to that is obvious. I think this lack of
security thing is also a local thing as here in Oz we had to display
licences, etc and these are pretty hard to obtain in the first place.
Cheers,
Jason Sinclair CCIE #9100
Manager, Network Control Centre
POWERTEL
55 Clarence Street,
SYDNEY NSW 2000
AUSTRALIA
office: + 61 2 8264 3820
mobile: + 61 416 105 858
email: sinclairj@powertel.com.au
-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Stevens [mailto:ccie_miami@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, 20 June 2002 21:18
To: gxtrept@qwest.com; jakeczyz@yahoo.com; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: PAPER CCIE - Cisco Monitors Please READ THIS
When I tested last week they just marched us in called off a name and
pointed to a station. No id asked for at all.
>From: "Treptow, Georg" <gxtrept@qwest.com>
>Reply-To: "Treptow, Georg" <gxtrept@qwest.com>
>To: "'Jake'" <jakeczyz@yahoo.com>, "Treptow, Georg" <gxtrept@qwest.com>,
> ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: RE: PAPER CCIE - Cisco Monitors Please READ THIS
>Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:01:40 -0500
>
>I agree to some degree. It seems the number of certified CIE people
>increases exponentially with every week that goes by. Last week CCIE 9470
>this week we area at 955x. Sure there is a lot of people taking it, I think
>the actual lab should be much harder than what it is but cisco should
>reduce
>the fee's they are charging. If Cisco wants experts instead of making money
>on this than this would be they way to go - in this economy though that
>seems unlikely. I am getting this cert instead of a colleague degree it
>would be nice knowing that it will still be worth something next year.
>Anyway, I do not want to start this kind of threat..... I feel for you,
>dude.
>
>Georg
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jake [mailto:jakeczyz@yahoo.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 9:51 PM
>To: Treptow, Georg; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>Subject: PAPER CCIE - Cisco Monitors Please READ THIS
>
>
>Well, I guess "paper CCIE" is coming soon. Just like "paper MCSE" became
>rampant after I
>earned it by studying my butt off (in addition to a couple years of
>experience, of
>course).
> I swear, why the hell can't they make an effort to keep it secure. I
>mean, come on!
>How much would it cost per candidate to check some documents, take a
>picture
>and
>thumbprint and put it all on a card with a hologram and microprint. $20
>dollars per
>candidate (on the first attempt only)?? $40 maybe even $100. I would be
>happy to pay even
>double if they ensured complete security. What's stopping Joe Q. Sixpack
>from paying Mr
>CCIE #12345 $10,000 to go pass the test for him. Shit, that's cheaper than
>most CCIE
>schools cost. I would never do it, but I'm willing to be 50% of the people
>out there
>would!!! Just look at the emails you guys are getting. And I'm willing to
>bet
>internationally it's even worse! There's places where the CCIE is worth
>more
>than an
>American passport. You figure it out.
>
>Sh*t, Microsoft does a better job securing the MCP and that only costs
>$120.
>
>Although I haven't yet met an incompetent CCIE, (and I have met people with
>years of
>experience who don't know jack) I'm still beginning to worry. No wonder the
>cert hasn't
>helped my career to date. I really hope someone at Cisco reads this and has
>an epiphany.
>Otherwise, they'll have to make the test so damn hard to keep it valuable
>that the only
>people passing it will be the proctors. Why can't they learn anything from
>Mirosoft's
>failure?
>
>Sorry 'bout the tone guys... this stuff pushes my buttons.
>
>J
>Pissed-Off CCIE
>
>
>
>--- "Treptow, Georg" <gxtrept@qwest.com> wrote:
> > They actually looked at your license? I never had to do that in San Jose
>a
> > week ago. I just strolled in and told them that I am who I am. Good
>enough
> > for them - no questions asked.
> >
> > Georg
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jake [mailto:jakeczyz@yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:57 PM
> > To: Rahmlow, Howard F.; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Odd Emails
> >
> >
> > Hmmm....
> > Too bad you can't prosecute people for "intent to cheat" like you
>can
> > prosecute for
> > "intent to kill." Otherwise, I would hope for $27 MM a year, Cisco would
> > spend some money
> > ensuring the security of the exam by having that Thailand ISP
>investigate
> > the IP
> > addresses sourcing those emails and prosecute the sneakernets off those
> > people. Also, for
> > those that have taken the test, did you feel the identity check was
>solid?
> > I'm a balding
> > and unshaven twenty-something year old and I have a harder time buying
> > cigarettes than I
> > did "identifying myself" for the lab exam. For that kind of cash, you'd
> > think they'd take
> > people's fingerprints or Iris scan or DNA or at least a damn picture...
>and
> > not just have
> > some receptionist glance at an out-of-state license.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Jake
> > Underpaid CCIE #9102
> >
> > sh me th $
> >
> >
> > --- "Rahmlow, Howard F." <Howard.Rahmlow@unisys.com> wrote:
> > > Anyone else on the list getting weird e-mail's like the ones below. I
>got
> > > these 2 today. They were both sent to me not to the list.
> > >
> > > Howard
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Saiyan [saiyan191@yahoo.com]
> > > Can you give an idea how you pass CCIE lab? Such as books, tools and
>which
> > > lab
> > > are you getting?
> > > (I saw your email in groupstudy)
> > >
> > > Somchai [loso14@yahoo.com]
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I want to upgrade my cisco routers. But don't have new release of the
>IOS.
> > > Can
> > > I just get your cco's logon for a while? I'm use it for my ccie exam.
> > >
> > > Thanks you,
>
>
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