From: Dan Weaver (d.vndkshn@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Jun 25 2002 - 15:35:23 GMT-3
I agree the the security of the test is becoming suspect. But,
unfortunately, where there is a will, there is a way. As long as this cert
is considered a money maker, or a door opener, there will be people that get
into just for that reason.... quick bucks that they will do anything to
obtain. While this list for the most part adheres to the NDA (or as close
as possible considering the limitations imposed by the NDA and the list's
need to assist each other)... there are still "cheaters" that are willing to
get the number in any way they can. There is not a whole lot that we can do
about it and still provide assistance to each other. Cisco themselves
cannot prevent people with good memories from going into the lab and
remembering everything they had on their scenario. This practice, combined
with the sharing of this information to others seems to be the going trend
with this cert, much more that paying someone to take the test for you.
This is just further proof of the money associated.
Interviewing does not always catch these people as well. Several companies
see the CCIE number as proof of knowledge and experience, and therefore do
not perform any detailed interview. Of course, the is the company in
questions problem, as we all know what it means to ASSUME.
It is a side effect of this industry. It happened to Novell, then
Microsoft, now Cisco is next. I am sure that others like the CISSP are
next.
Regards and good luck to everyone,
Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: "elping" <elpingu@acedsl.com>
To: "Jake" <jakeczyz@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Treptow, Georg" <gxtrept@qwest.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: PAPER CCIE - Cisco Monitors Please READ THIS
> hey :
>
> are you saying this because some one you know or heard paid this money for
someone to take
> the test for him/her.....?
>
> or is this something you think could happen and is keeping you from
sleeping at night?
>
> don't you think that if you interviewd a paper or weak ccie that you could
tell a mile
> away....or in reverse
>
> people have a premintion because they get the CCIE it will solve
everything and open all
> doors for them....think about that when you say
> "No wonder the cert hasn't helped my career to date."
>
> Jake : All you have done in rant since you got your cert ...
> I ranted when I failed....but it did not help
>
> if you are as good as you sound....your gig will be coming your way .
>
> El ping
>
>
>
> Jake wrote:
>
> > Well, I guess "paper CCIE" is coming soon. Just like "paper MCSE" became
rampant after I
> > earned it by studying my butt off (in addition to a couple years of
experience, of
> > course).
> > I swear, why the hell can't they make an effort to keep it secure.
I mean, come on!
> > How much would it cost per candidate to check some documents, take a
picture and
> > thumbprint and put it all on a card with a hologram and microprint. $20
dollars per
> > candidate (on the first attempt only)?? $40 maybe even $100. I would be
happy to pay even
> > double if they ensured complete security. What's stopping Joe Q. Sixpack
from paying Mr
> > CCIE #12345 $10,000 to go pass the test for him. Shit, that's cheaper
than most CCIE
> > schools cost. I would never do it, but I'm willing to be 50% of the
people out there
> > would!!! Just look at the emails you guys are getting. And I'm willing
to bet
> > internationally it's even worse! There's places where the CCIE is worth
more than an
> > American passport. You figure it out.
> >
> > Sh*t, Microsoft does a better job securing the MCP and that only costs
$120.
> >
> > Although I haven't yet met an incompetent CCIE, (and I have met people
with years of
> > experience who don't know jack) I'm still beginning to worry. No wonder
the cert hasn't
> > helped my career to date. I really hope someone at Cisco reads this and
has an epiphany.
> > Otherwise, they'll have to make the test so damn hard to keep it
valuable that the only
> > people passing it will be the proctors. Why can't they learn anything
from Mirosoft's
> > failure?
> >
> > Sorry 'bout the tone guys... this stuff pushes my buttons.
> >
> > J
> > Pissed-Off CCIE
> >
> > --- "Treptow, Georg" <gxtrept@qwest.com> wrote:
> > > They actually looked at your license? I never had to do that in San
Jose a
> > > week ago. I just strolled in and told them that I am who I am. Good
enough
> > > for them - no questions asked.
> > >
> > > Georg
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jake [mailto:jakeczyz@yahoo.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 8:57 PM
> > > To: Rahmlow, Howard F.; ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > Subject: Re: Odd Emails
> > >
> > >
> > > Hmmm....
> > > Too bad you can't prosecute people for "intent to cheat" like you
can
> > > prosecute for
> > > "intent to kill." Otherwise, I would hope for $27 MM a year, Cisco
would
> > > spend some money
> > > ensuring the security of the exam by having that Thailand ISP
investigate
> > > the IP
> > > addresses sourcing those emails and prosecute the sneakernets off
those
> > > people. Also, for
> > > those that have taken the test, did you feel the identity check was
solid?
> > > I'm a balding
> > > and unshaven twenty-something year old and I have a harder time buying
> > > cigarettes than I
> > > did "identifying myself" for the lab exam. For that kind of cash,
you'd
> > > think they'd take
> > > people's fingerprints or Iris scan or DNA or at least a damn
picture... and
> > > not just have
> > > some receptionist glance at an out-of-state license.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > Jake
> > > Underpaid CCIE #9102
> > >
> > > sh me th $
> > >
> > >
> > > --- "Rahmlow, Howard F." <Howard.Rahmlow@unisys.com> wrote:
> > > > Anyone else on the list getting weird e-mail's like the ones below.
I got
> > > > these 2 today. They were both sent to me not to the list.
> > > >
> > > > Howard
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Saiyan [saiyan191@yahoo.com]
> > > > Can you give an idea how you pass CCIE lab? Such as books, tools and
which
> > > > lab
> > > > are you getting?
> > > > (I saw your email in groupstudy)
> > > >
> > > > Somchai [loso14@yahoo.com]
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I want to upgrade my cisco routers. But don't have new release of
the IOS.
> > > > Can
> > > > I just get your cco's logon for a while? I'm use it for my ccie
exam.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks you,
> >
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