From: CiscoJunkie (ciscojunkie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Jun 14 2002 - 16:39:41 GMT-3
I hate to even get involved with this thread, but...
I understand the concern about knowing different protocols, but IP is a FAR
more complex protocol than IPX ever could be. I would feel safe to say that
if I know the ins and outs of IP that I could troubleshoot an IPX network
without much difficulty. IPX has it's difficulties, but so does Appletalk
and NetBEUI, and I'm sure there are folks that complained when they were
removed.
Accept the fact that IPX is eventually going to be a dead protocol. It may
take some years and I'm sure there are people out there installing it today,
but I also know some people that are loading up DOS on 386 PCs.
The fact is these are older technologies and I am very glad that Cisco has
made the decision not to require it's highest-level certification to spend
time on learning technology that is being faded out and making room for the
newer ones to be phased in. I prsonally can get a lot more out of these.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Dan.Thorson@seagate.com>
To: "Tim O'Brien" <tobrien@cinci.rr.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 3:01 PM
Subject: RE: Changes of lab=loss of $$
> Tim, and the rest of the GroupStudy folk:
> If Cisco is just looking for a sales/marketing chain to enhance revenue,
> they should be pushing CCDP and CCNP as more-premier certifications.
> Removing IPX and CatOS (etc) from the CCIE certification lab defeats the
> definition of CCIE!
>
> Take a look at the definition of CCIE from
> http://www.cisco.com/warp/customer/10/wwtraining/certprog/select_cert.html
> and tell me that a CCIE who does not know Catalyst OS, or IPX, or even
> ATM-LANE/FDDI/TR or DECnet/AppleTalk/Vines, etc really meets the criteria.
> Ethernet IPv4 with only native IOS switches does not, IMHO, meet the
> definition of "highly complex evnironments". CCIE is, if nothing else,
> having a significant change of definition. I, for one, have no interest
in
> being a part of Cisco's sales team.
>
> "CCIE Routing and Switching can install, configure, and operate networks
in
> highly complex environments with specific protocols."
>
> "CCNP can install, configure and operate LAN, WAN and dial access services
> for larger networks."
>
> "CCDP can design routed and switched networks involving LAN, WAN and dial
> access for larger networks."
>
> danT
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