From: James Self (j.self@xxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri May 31 2002 - 16:22:14 GMT-3
Very well put and i agree
jself
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Matt Wagner
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:35 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: CCIE: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
I think this is pretty clear cut. I will just give my opinion...
CCIE does not mean that you are a networking expert. It does mean that you
are an expert at configuring the Cisco equipment on the lab and that you are
probably good at problem solving and thinking fast under pressure. If a
company needs an expert Cisco configurer, then they will be very interested
in a CCIE. If they need some indication that a job candidate can work well
under pressure and has good logical thinking skills, then CCIE is a pretty
good benchmark.
If they are looking for an Active Directory expert, then CCIE means very
little by itself. If they are looking for a Unix admin, then CCIE won't
necessarily represent any value to them. Still, if two Active Directory
experts apply for the same job and one is a CCIE, then (assuming that they
can afford it) they will be more impressed by the CCIE (all other things
remaining equal).
My guess is that a lot of companies place high value on a person's ability
to configure Cisco routers, switches, firewalls, VPN, IDS, etc. and that
those companies will pay more for or give preference to a CCIE. It would be
wise to have some other skills, such as security, Win2K networking, or Unix
so that you can get opportunities that are not completely Cisco-centric.
I just don't think this issue is really much of an issue (even though it
comes up often here). If someone is a CCIE with no production network
experience, then that is better than being a non-CCIE with no production
network knowledge. If the same person imagines that the 4-digit number
means the quest for knowledge is over, then the job scene will be
significantly more limited. If I had my CCIE with no production network
experience and someone talked smack at me for it, I would go get a job
making decent money and start learning some other stuff and my critics could
pound sand.
Just my 0010 cents.
Matt
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Subject: RE: CCIE: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:43:24 -0600
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I recently had the same experience when interviewing for a consultant
position. I indicated that I have my lab date scheduled for less than 2
months away and that I would like to get the certification to help obtain
more consulting jobs. The hiring manager said that he had 3 CCIE's on staff
and that it really wasn't a big deal anymore for the customers "because
there are alot more CCIE's out there now then before."
My take on the whole thing is that, to be a Senior level Cisco Engineer the
CCIE helps. I also personally know 2 guys who have less then 2 years
experience total in networking and are CCIE's. I wouldn't trust either of
them with a large network design, but they sure know alot about passing the
lab. Just my opinion.
Christopher Trevino
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From: Emmanuel Oppong [mailto:e-oppong@attbi.com]
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:55 AM
To: Ccielab@Groupstudy. Com
Subject: CCIE: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
I interviewed recently for a sr. networking position and mentioned to the
interviewing manager, in passing, that I will be taking my ccie lab soon.
His response got me thinking and wondered what your thoughts are. This is
exacltly his response:
"Guys these days pass ccie depending on what test they get. ccie is
rediculous these days since the scenarios and questions asked are non-real
life and no good practicing engineer will ever use the methods stipulated in
the test" And then he goes on to say: "If you tune you ears to
groupstudy.com and pay attention to some of the rediculous questions and
scenarios being posed, then maybe you have a chance of passing". Guess
what? This guy is a ccie himself with a number in the 3000s. By the way, I
didn't piss him off for him to say these things, he actually was very
impressed with my years of experience and educational background.
It has gotten me thinking and quite frustrated at the thought of this
certification being branded as "ridiculous" by the same employers we are
trying to prove that we have top notch certification.
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