From: Christopher Jarosz (cajarosz@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri May 31 2002 - 16:19:48 GMT-3
I totally agree, for Network configuration, CCIE is the best "bench mark",
but you need to have more skills that that to make it in the networking
field. An example is that you may make the plumbing work, but if you need
to build more of the infrastructure (IE, DHCP servers in an Enterprise or
DNS configurations) you need to have a deep understanding of what the OS's
can offer (such as where NT or W2K can take you and when to go to something
more industrial (such as Solaris or some other UNIX variant).
Rock On !!
chrisj
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Wagner" <miguknom@hotmail.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 11:35 AM
Subject: RE: CCIE: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
> I think this is pretty clear cut. I will just give my opinion...
>
> CCIE does not mean that you are a networking expert. It does mean that you
> are an expert at configuring the Cisco equipment on the lab and that you
are
> probably good at problem solving and thinking fast under pressure. If a
> company needs an expert Cisco configurer, then they will be very
interested
> in a CCIE. If they need some indication that a job candidate can work
well
> under pressure and has good logical thinking skills, then CCIE is a pretty
> good benchmark.
>
> If they are looking for an Active Directory expert, then CCIE means very
> little by itself. If they are looking for a Unix admin, then CCIE won't
> necessarily represent any value to them. Still, if two Active Directory
> experts apply for the same job and one is a CCIE, then (assuming that they
> can afford it) they will be more impressed by the CCIE (all other things
> remaining equal).
>
> My guess is that a lot of companies place high value on a person's ability
> to configure Cisco routers, switches, firewalls, VPN, IDS, etc. and that
> those companies will pay more for or give preference to a CCIE. It would
be
> wise to have some other skills, such as security, Win2K networking, or
Unix
> so that you can get opportunities that are not completely Cisco-centric.
>
> I just don't think this issue is really much of an issue (even though it
> comes up often here). If someone is a CCIE with no production network
> experience, then that is better than being a non-CCIE with no production
> network knowledge. If the same person imagines that the 4-digit number
> means the quest for knowledge is over, then the job scene will be
> significantly more limited. If I had my CCIE with no production network
> experience and someone talked smack at me for it, I would go get a job
> making decent money and start learning some other stuff and my critics
could
> pound sand.
>
> Just my 0010 cents.
>
> Matt
>
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> To: "'Emmanuel Oppong'" <e-oppong@attbi.com>, "Ccielab@Groupstudy.
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> Subject: RE: CCIE: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
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> I recently had the same experience when interviewing for a consultant
> position. I indicated that I have my lab date scheduled for less than 2
> months away and that I would like to get the certification to help obtain
> more consulting jobs. The hiring manager said that he had 3 CCIE's on
staff
> and that it really wasn't a big deal anymore for the customers "because
> there are alot more CCIE's out there now then before."
>
> My take on the whole thing is that, to be a Senior level Cisco Engineer
the
> CCIE helps. I also personally know 2 guys who have less then 2 years
> experience total in networking and are CCIE's. I wouldn't trust either of
> them with a large network design, but they sure know alot about passing
the
> lab. Just my opinion.
>
> Christopher Trevino
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emmanuel Oppong [mailto:e-oppong@attbi.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:55 AM
> To: Ccielab@Groupstudy. Com
> Subject: CCIE: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
>
>
> I interviewed recently for a sr. networking position and mentioned to the
> interviewing manager, in passing, that I will be taking my ccie lab soon.
> His response got me thinking and wondered what your thoughts are. This is
> exacltly his response:
>
> "Guys these days pass ccie depending on what test they get. ccie is
> rediculous these days since the scenarios and questions asked are non-real
> life and no good practicing engineer will ever use the methods stipulated
in
> the test" And then he goes on to say: "If you tune you ears to
> groupstudy.com and pay attention to some of the rediculous questions and
> scenarios being posed, then maybe you have a chance of passing". Guess
> what? This guy is a ccie himself with a number in the 3000s. By the way,
I
> didn't piss him off for him to say these things, he actually was very
> impressed with my years of experience and educational background.
>
> It has gotten me thinking and quite frustrated at the thought of this
> certification being branded as "ridiculous" by the same employers we are
> trying to prove that we have top notch certification.
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