From: Paglia, John (USPC.PCT.Hopewell) (JPaglia@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri May 31 2002 - 16:21:31 GMT-3
The point of certifications are missed by mostly everyone, and it seems as
if it's missed within this thread as well.
Obtaining ANY cert doesn't mean that you are the end-all-be-all of
knowledge, and it certainly doesn't mean that someone is ready to take on a
large network design on their own. They are almost along the lines of
degrees\diplomas you get when in school. An MCSE is equiv. to graduating
daycare (just a little fun) while Cisco certs should say that your thought
processes and abilities are more "well rounded and matured", almost like the
explanation given in college when you ask why you have to take calculus when
you're a music major. This reasoning makes a CCIE a graduate with a Masters
Degree....someone who has taken the "well rounded and matured" knowledge and
pushed it to the next level.
But would you ever just pluck anyone out of school, even with a masters, and
put them in front of a design team for a big network??? No, because they are
not seasoned work veterans. You don't trust someone with a cert as having
the end-all-be-all of knowledge, but you certainly give them the chance to
show what they've got without insulting their achievements like that one
interviewer did. That bum is just too high-and-mighty for his own good!!!
And statements like "I wouldn't trust either of them with a large network
design, but they sure know alot about passing the lab" are rather insulting
as well! So a guy with a cert is good for nothing except passing a test???
Well excuse me, Sultan of Knowledge, for being a lesser human.
John
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Narvaez, Pablo [SMTP:Pablo.Narvaez@getronics.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 2:08 PM
> To: Chris Trevino; Emmanuel Oppong; Ccielab@Groupstudy. Com
> Subject: RE: CCIE: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
>
> I do not like to get involved in these threads ... but NOW I have to say I
> agree with Chris ... and of course,
> knowing tons about the lab and getting the cert within 2 years or even
> less is really tough and those guys deserve respect
> and recognition ..... but still fully agree with Chris ...
>
> just my $.02
>
> Cheers,
>
> hockito
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Trevino [mailto:ctrevino@inflow.com]
> Sent: Viernes, 31 de Mayo de 2002 12:43 p.m.
> To: 'Emmanuel Oppong'; Ccielab@Groupstudy. Com
> Subject: RE: CCIE: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
>
>
> I recently had the same experience when interviewing for a consultant
> position. I indicated that I have my lab date scheduled for less than 2
> months away and that I would like to get the certification to help obtain
> more consulting jobs. The hiring manager said that he had 3 CCIE's on
> staff
> and that it really wasn't a big deal anymore for the customers "because
> there are alot more CCIE's out there now then before."
>
> My take on the whole thing is that, to be a Senior level Cisco Engineer
> the
> CCIE helps. I also personally know 2 guys who have less then 2 years
> experience total in networking and are CCIE's. I wouldn't trust either of
> them with a large network design, but they sure know alot about passing
> the
> lab. Just my opinion.
>
> Christopher Trevino
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emmanuel Oppong [mailto:e-oppong@attbi.com]
> Sent: Friday, May 31, 2002 9:55 AM
> To: Ccielab@Groupstudy. Com
> Subject: CCIE: FOOD FOR THOUGHT
>
>
> I interviewed recently for a sr. networking position and mentioned to the
> interviewing manager, in passing, that I will be taking my ccie lab soon.
> His response got me thinking and wondered what your thoughts are. This is
> exacltly his response:
>
> "Guys these days pass ccie depending on what test they get. ccie is
> rediculous these days since the scenarios and questions asked are non-real
> life and no good practicing engineer will ever use the methods stipulated
> in
> the test" And then he goes on to say: "If you tune you ears to
> groupstudy.com and pay attention to some of the rediculous questions and
> scenarios being posed, then maybe you have a chance of passing". Guess
> what? This guy is a ccie himself with a number in the 3000s. By the way,
> I
> didn't piss him off for him to say these things, he actually was very
> impressed with my years of experience and educational background.
>
> It has gotten me thinking and quite frustrated at the thought of this
> certification being branded as "ridiculous" by the same employers we are
> trying to prove that we have top notch certification.
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