From: Thomas, Varghese (vnthomas@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed May 01 2002 - 15:09:17 GMT-3
Hello
I don't care what others say about Howard C. Berkowitz.
I am grateful for his notes & comments and I highly value them.
Howard, please do write to enlighten us.
Tx n RD
The dog continues to bark, let the caravan proceed
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Columbus
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Cc: hcb@gettcomm.com ; perosenthal@hotmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: CCIE #9240
I can't tell if I'm reading poor sarcasm or pitiful ignorance.
I surely hope it's an attempt at sarcasm....
Howard contributes more meaningful commentary to this list per day than
most could contribute in a year. I, for one, appreciate that he takes the
time out of his schedule to participate. I'm sure most others feel the
same way.
Thanks Howard.
At 11:13 AM 5/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Howard just likes to impress people with all of his supposed "contacts"
and
>his smoke screen of knowledge. The guy is obviously a bookworm and has
>never worked on a real network. He always talks about things he has
>"written" and not work he's actually done. Now I'm sure Howard will
respond
>with his classic list of places he's consulted for. But, most of us know
>he's full of shit. Apparently Howard feels that his name carries some
>weight like Doyle (excuse me while I die laughing). Hopefully most of us
>see him for what he is. He uses this list as spam and gets away with it
>cause Paul is being paid advertising $$$ from a few vendors that Howard is
>affiliated with. His book is definitely worthless and thankfully I
looked
>through it before buying it. Another bookworm that frequents this list
has
>a crap design book out too. I used it to help get the fire going in my
>fireplace. The funniest part is she reviewed his book on Amazon! I
wonder
>how many of Howard's other buddies and co-workers helped promote this
crap.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ludwig A. Morales" <morales_l@hotmail.com>
>To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com>
>Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:59 AM
>Subject: Re: CCIE #9240
>
>
> > listen, unlike the rest of the people here I couldn't care less that
you
> > find my comment useful or not, trashing people is usually a way to make
>you
> > feel better about yourself. I read your Designing Routing and switching
> > architecture a few days ago, didn't find it that useful, and you didn't
>see
> > me here trashing your book right? because that was just my point of
view.
> >
> > My good old daddy use to say:
> >
> > There's not much greatness in holding honors, greatness comes from
>deserving
> > them"
> >
> > And those with CCIE (either hi or low numbers deserve to be CCIE, maybe
> > except for those that found their number in a corn flake box, anyone?)
> >
> > Sure JEFF (so you now him!!, great can you get me an autograph :P )
was
>not
> > the first one to write about the Lollipop-Shape Sequence number space,
now
> > when someone ask me from who did I learn about that, his getting the
>credit
> > because that's the book I've read, my comment was simply to demonstrate
>that
> > many "experience" networkers don't event open a book, "heckk what do
>need
> > a book for or a cert as well I've been troubleshooting for X year"
(yeahh
> > stupid but maybe you've been doing it the wrong way).
> >
> > A Final comment, I would relay more on a rookie doctor that just
graduated
> > from medical school that from someone that just have "experience" in a
> > surgery room and haven't been properly trained.
> >
> > PS. Once again experience has great weight (of course I put my 6 years
in
>my
> > resume, though I've only been working with Cisco for 2 years, do my 6
>years
> > of experience means more to someone than Munib 2 Years with a CCIE, I
>don't
> > think so) I just see it wrong to take credit from the guys that
recently
> > pass the exam, what do you feel threaten!!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:21 AM
> > Subject: Re: CCIE #9240
> >
> >
> > > At 9:14 PM -0400 4/30/02, Ludwig Morales wrote:
> > > >Cool dude, this is the logest tread i've seem im this mailing list's
> > history
> > > >without using "NDA" .
> > > >I was thinking to let it slide myself but naaaa.
> > > >
> > > >First of all the fact that he took less time than you could provee
that
> > the
> > > >exam is easier now or that he's more discipline and more inteligent
>than
> > > >you, that depends on your perspective and the choise that less
ofends
> > you.
> > > >
> > > >Now to the CCIE Vs. experince stuff, i may be wrong but i think you
>are
> > > >comparing apples and oranges, i think i told this story before but
well
> > what
> > > >the heck..
> > >
> > > Be careful about comparing anything to apples or you may irritate
> > > Priscilla. :-)
> > >
> > > >.
> > > >
> > > >in the first CCIE bootcamp i took our instructor conducted an small
> > survey
> > > >to measure the level of all atendees by making a list of the
>tecnologies
> > he
> > > >was about to explain by drawing two columns on a sheet, one was your
> > > >teorical experience and one was your practical experience regardig
each
> > > >technology, one of the atendees sheets came to he's atention when he
>saw
> > > >that unlike all the rest of us this dude had more practical
experience
> > than
> > > >theory, when he asked how come his answer was that he was able to
> > configure
> > > >and troubleshoot up to a point but for him sometimes the router was
>like
> > the
> > > >black box of a plane, he didn't know what the hell was inside of it.
> > when
> > > >the TAC told him to change some parameter he simply did it and did
not
> > > >understand what was the purpose (this dude has been working with
Cisco
> > for 4
> > > >years) so you see, CUIE does give you something, the knowledge of
how
> > each
> > > >thing works, I dare anyone with more the 5 years of experience but
with
> > > >never laying a hand on Doyle's to explain to me how igrp calculate
it's
> > > >metric (remember the k values?) or the Lollipop-Shape Sequence
number
> > space.
> > >
> > > :-) But how did JEFF learn it? (Actually, I asked him, and he got
> > > some informationr released, by Dino Farinacci IIRC). The lollipop
> > > sequence came from Radia Perlman (I was the reviewer of Jeff's OSPF
> > > chapter), and I believe she and/or the standard is credited. The
> > > best writeup of the lollipop is in her Interconnections book --
> > > better, I think, than John Moy's.
> > >
> > > >.
> > > >
> > > >Well anyway for those of you in the track dont let a coment like
this
> > > >disapoint you, he's not right, he's not wrong that's just his point
of
> > view
> > > >and you should not be worried about it (unless Robert is your boss,
> > jejejje)
> > > >
> > > >good luck to us, work hard and congratulate those who have achive
their
> > goal
> > > >that helps us all aswell.
> > > >
> > > >OH and one last question, do you wake up in the morning and have all
>the
> > > >kwoledge to pass a CCIE exam? No? Then how do you get this
kwoledge?
> > > >Uhhhhh trough experience?
> > >
> > > Take a look at a picture of Scott Bradner sometime; he has a slight
> > > resemblance to Santa Claus. Vint Cerf is no spring chicken. They
> > > still study.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >PS, been working in IT for 6 years now (thank God i'll be a CCIE
that
> > have
> > > >been pushing and pulling routers for 6 years)
> > >
> > > let's see...I first started programming in 1966 or 7 (it blurs) and
> > > actually put together my 1st network in 1970. Hmmm...this week, I've
> > > learned some things about the application of control theory to
> > > routing protocols, about measurement timing issues in OSPF
> > > performance measurement, in some legal requirements for crypto in
> > > medical networks, and have been Perl programming since last week!
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