From: DAN DORTON (DHSTS68@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed May 01 2002 - 14:36:16 GMT-3
At least his contributions to the list have something to do with
studying for the CCIE.
What do you contributions have to do with anything other than insulting
other people?
And if paul wants to make a deal with him to boost the sales of his
rack rentals & lab books by allowing him to post on this list then so be
it.
This is HIS list... Go make your own list if you don't like it.
I for one have gotten some extremely good information from howard & it
didn't cost me a cent. I have never purchased anything from him & his
company.
>>> "Peter Rosenthal" <perosenthal@hotmail.com> 05/01/02 11:11AM >>>
His contributions are purely for monetary purposes. I know that most
people
on this list clearly see that. It's all business not out of the
kindness of
his heart. He contributes hoping you'll be so impressed that you'll
buy
labs from his partners and rent rack time from his company. Surely
you're
not this clueless and I know most people on this list are not fooled.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Craig Columbus" <Craig.Columbus@columbusconsulting.com>
To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Cc: <hcb@gettcomm.com>; <perosenthal@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: CCIE #9240
> I can't tell if I'm reading poor sarcasm or pitiful ignorance.
> I surely hope it's an attempt at sarcasm....
>
> Howard contributes more meaningful commentary to this list per day
than
> most could contribute in a year. I, for one, appreciate that he
takes the
> time out of his schedule to participate. I'm sure most others feel
the
> same way.
>
> Thanks Howard.
>
>
>
> At 11:13 AM 5/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >Howard just likes to impress people with all of his supposed
"contacts"
and
> >his smoke screen of knowledge. The guy is obviously a bookworm and
has
> >never worked on a real network. He always talks about things he
has
> >"written" and not work he's actually done. Now I'm sure Howard
will
respond
> >with his classic list of places he's consulted for. But, most of us
know
> >he's full of shit. Apparently Howard feels that his name carries
some
> >weight like Doyle (excuse me while I die laughing). Hopefully most
of us
> >see him for what he is. He uses this list as spam and gets away
with it
> >cause Paul is being paid advertising $$$ from a few vendors that
Howard
is
> >affiliated with. His book is definitely worthless and thankfully
I
looked
> >through it before buying it. Another bookworm that frequents this
list
has
> >a crap design book out too. I used it to help get the fire going in
my
> >fireplace. The funniest part is she reviewed his book on Amazon!
I
wonder
> >how many of Howard's other buddies and co-workers helped promote
this
crap.
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ludwig A. Morales" <morales_l@hotmail.com>
> >To: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com>
> >Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> >Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 7:59 AM
> >Subject: Re: CCIE #9240
> >
> >
> > > listen, unlike the rest of the people here I couldn't care less
that
you
> > > find my comment useful or not, trashing people is usually a way
to
make
> >you
> > > feel better about yourself. I read your Designing Routing and
switching
> > > architecture a few days ago, didn't find it that useful, and you
didn't
> >see
> > > me here trashing your book right? because that was just my point
of
view.
> > >
> > > My good old daddy use to say:
> > >
> > > There's not much greatness in holding honors, greatness comes
from
> >deserving
> > > them"
> > >
> > > And those with CCIE (either hi or low numbers deserve to be
CCIE,
maybe
> > > except for those that found their number in a corn flake box,
anyone?)
> > >
> > > Sure JEFF (so you now him!!, great can you get me an autograph
:P )
was
> >not
> > > the first one to write about the Lollipop-Shape Sequence number
space,
now
> > > when someone ask me from who did I learn about that, his getting
the
> >credit
> > > because that's the book I've read, my comment was simply to
demonstrate
> >that
> > > many "experience" networkers don't event open a book, "heckk
what do
> >need
> > > a book for or a cert as well I've been troubleshooting for X
year"
(yeahh
> > > stupid but maybe you've been doing it the wrong way).
> > >
> > > A Final comment, I would relay more on a rookie doctor that just
graduated
> > > from medical school that from someone that just have "experience"
in a
> > > surgery room and haven't been properly trained.
> > >
> > > PS. Once again experience has great weight (of course I put my 6
years
in
> >my
> > > resume, though I've only been working with Cisco for 2 years, do
my 6
> >years
> > > of experience means more to someone than Munib 2 Years with a
CCIE, I
> >don't
> > > think so) I just see it wrong to take credit from the guys that
recently
> > > pass the exam, what do you feel threaten!!
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Howard C. Berkowitz" <hcb@gettcomm.com>
> > > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 2:21 AM
> > > Subject: Re: CCIE #9240
> > >
> > >
> > > > At 9:14 PM -0400 4/30/02, Ludwig Morales wrote:
> > > > >Cool dude, this is the logest tread i've seem im this mailing
list's
> > > history
> > > > >without using "NDA" .
> > > > >I was thinking to let it slide myself but naaaa.
> > > > >
> > > > >First of all the fact that he took less time than you could
provee
that
> > > the
> > > > >exam is easier now or that he's more discipline and more
inteligent
> >than
> > > > >you, that depends on your perspective and the choise that
less
ofends
> > > you.
> > > > >
> > > > >Now to the CCIE Vs. experince stuff, i may be wrong but i
think
you
> >are
> > > > >comparing apples and oranges, i think i told this story before
but
well
> > > what
> > > > >the heck..
> > > >
> > > > Be careful about comparing anything to apples or you may
irritate
> > > > Priscilla. :-)
> > > >
> > > > >.
> > > > >
> > > > >in the first CCIE bootcamp i took our instructor conducted an
small
> > > survey
> > > > >to measure the level of all atendees by making a list of the
> >tecnologies
> > > he
> > > > >was about to explain by drawing two columns on a sheet, one
was
your
> > > > >teorical experience and one was your practical experience
regardig
each
> > > > >technology, one of the atendees sheets came to he's atention
when
he
> >saw
> > > > >that unlike all the rest of us this dude had more practical
experience
> > > than
> > > > >theory, when he asked how come his answer was that he was able
to
> > > configure
> > > > >and troubleshoot up to a point but for him sometimes the
router was
> >like
> > > the
> > > > >black box of a plane, he didn't know what the hell was inside
of
it.
> > > when
> > > > >the TAC told him to change some parameter he simply did it and
did
not
> > > > >understand what was the purpose (this dude has been working
with
Cisco
> > > for 4
> > > > >years) so you see, CUIE does give you something, the knowledge
of
how
> > > each
> > > > >thing works, I dare anyone with more the 5 years of experience
but
with
> > > > >never laying a hand on Doyle's to explain to me how igrp
calculate
it's
> > > > >metric (remember the k values?) or the Lollipop-Shape
Sequence
number
> > > space.
> > > >
> > > > :-) But how did JEFF learn it? (Actually, I asked him, and he
got
> > > > some informationr released, by Dino Farinacci IIRC). The
lollipop
> > > > sequence came from Radia Perlman (I was the reviewer of Jeff's
OSPF
> > > > chapter), and I believe she and/or the standard is credited.
The
> > > > best writeup of the lollipop is in her Interconnections book
-- > > > > better, I think, than John Moy's. > > > > > > > > >. > > > > > > > > > >Well anyway for those of you in the track dont let a coment like this > > > > >disapoint you, he's not right, he's not wrong that's just his point of > > > view > > > > >and you should not be worried about it (unless Robert is your boss, > > > jejejje) > > > > > > > > > >good luck to us, work hard and congratulate those who have achive their > > > goal > > > > >that helps us all aswell. > > > > > > > > > >OH and one last question, do you wake up in the morning and have all > >the > > > > >kwoledge to pass a CCIE exam? No? Then how do you get this kwoledge? > > > > >Uhhhhh trough experience? > > > > > > > > Take a look at a picture of Scott Bradner sometime; he has a slight > > > > resemblance to Santa Claus. Vint Cerf is no spring chicken. They > > > > still study. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >PS, been working in IT for 6 years now (thank God i'll be a CCIE that > > > have > > > > >been pushing and pulling routers for 6 years) > > > > > > > > let's see...I first started programming in 1966 or 7 (it blurs) and > > > > actually put together my 1st network in 1970. Hmmm...this week, I've > > > > learned some things about the application of control theory to > > > > routing protocols, about measurement timing issues in OSPF > > > > performance measurement, in some legal requirements for crypto in > > > > medical networks, and have been Perl programming since last week! > > > >
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