From: Joseph Ezerski (jezerski@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Dec 20 2001 - 13:31:28 GMT-3
In my own opinion, I really beleive that you can mitigate the time issues by
having tons of hands on before you go into the lab. It all boils down to
two things... If you know, I mean absolutely know, how to configure the
task, then the only other factor is typing speed. I am an average typer and
mistake prone. Time for me was not an issue. I finished with about 1.5
hours left to check my work.
-Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Christopher Jarosz
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:13 PM
To: Michael Popovich; jonatale@earthlink.net; Santarsiero, Bill
Cc: 'Marc Russell '; ''Jay Hennigan ' '; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: 1-day lab format
I agree with Michael !!
I just took the one day lab exam yesterday and time was a big issue. You
definitely have to know everything, because there is little time for trouble
shooting a scenario. I got caught up in a minor issue that delayed me from
completing the "easy stuff". I'm looking forward to the next time......
best regards
chrisj
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Popovich" <m.popovich@home.com>
To: <jonatale@earthlink.net>; "Santarsiero, Bill"
<BSantarsiero@greenwichtech.com>
Cc: "'Marc Russell '" <mrussell@ccbootcamp.com>; "''Jay Hennigan ' '"
<jay@west.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: 1-day lab format
> Content hasn't really changed. Time will be the enemy as it was on the
2-day
> I am sure. More so on the 1-day.
>
> Repetitive rack time will do the most good I would imagine. Assuming you
> have a good foundational knowledge of the technologies.
>
> MP
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jonatale@earthlink.net>
> To: "Santarsiero, Bill" <BSantarsiero@greenwichtech.com>
> Cc: "'Marc Russell '" <mrussell@ccbootcamp.com>; "''Jay Hennigan ' '"
> <jay@west.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 1:26 AM
> Subject: Re: 1-day lab format
>
>
> > what is the ave number of tries to pass??? 3???
> >
> > Santarsiero, Bill wrote:
> >
> > > Dude,
> > >
> > > You should back off and concentrate on the content of your labs. Why
> are
> > > you so worried about format. I used bootcamp labs for content and
> nothing
> > > more. If the one day format is that different, then people are going
to
> > > have to take it three times for format familiarization. What is so
bad
> with
> > > that. I had to do it with the two day lab!
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Marc Russell
> > > To: 'Jay Hennigan '
> > > Cc: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> > > Sent: 10/11/01 1:15 AM
> > > Subject: RE: 1-day lab format
> > >
> > > So, do you really feel that this type of knowledge really gives
someone
> > > an
> > > unfair advantage? I think this pushes the NDA to an extreme that
wasn't
> > > intended.
> > >
> > > I suppose next it will be considered NDA to discuss what you ate for
> > > lunch
> > > during your exam.
> > >
> > > My interpretation of technical content would be something more like
this
> > > "Hey did you hear that OSPF virtual-links now count for 90% of your
> > > score,
> > > better know that concept cold." If a CCIE candidate is going to
actually
> > > gain an advantage by knowing the extent of preconfiguration of basic
IP,
> > > interfaces, etc. he/she is going to fail miserably and it is a
> > > non-issue.
> > > How would this information help them pass the test? I guess I just
don't
> > > get
> > > it. Help me see the light.
> > >
> > > I have customers and competitors all going crazy over this 1-day
format
> > > deal. It doesn't make any difference, but it is a marketing issue I
need
> > > to
> > > address. The skills, preparation, and knowledge required will be the
> > > same
> > > for either test format. If I can actually get a customer on the phone
> > > and
> > > explain it to them they usually understand that it doesn't matter.
> > >
> > > It is just a customer perception problem I need to deal with. However,
> > > going
> > > through all of our older labs and updating them will be a lot of work
> > > and I
> > > would prefer to do it only once.
> > >
> > > Marc Russell
> > > www.ccbootcamp.com
> > > mrussell@ccbootcamp.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jay Hennigan
> > > To: Marc Russell
> > > Cc: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> > > Sent: 10/10/01 5:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: 1-day lab format
> > >
> > > On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Marc Russell wrote:
> > >
> > > > We are looking for feedback from individuals that have actually
taken
> > > the
> > > > new 1-day lab. Please don't break the NDA, we don't want technical
> > > content.
> > > > We just want to know as to what extent the network is
pre-configured.
> > > Is it
> > > > just basic IP addressing and activated interfaces or more complex
> > > issues
> > > > like ISDN setup, frame-relay setup, or basic routing protocols, etc.
> > >
> > > How could revealing that information NOT be an NDA violation? What
one
> > > sees in the lab should stay in the lab. What Cisco chooses to reveal
> > > about it can be found at Cisco's website. The pre-configuration of
the
> > > lab is indeed technical content, is it not?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net
> > > NetLojix Communications, Inc. - http://www.netlojix.com/
> > > WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323
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