From: Courtney Alexander Foster (cfoster@xxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Dec 21 2001 - 13:38:52 GMT-3
Cheaters...When I pass my CCIE lab...I would like to see the sorry soul
that accuses me of cheating. Three years ago when I decide to go for my
CCIE, I did plenty of research on Cisco engineers, and how marketable
they were. I then began to change the type of jobs I would go for, i.e
Instead of strickly Network Admin positions...I went after jobs which
allow me to do both Novell/NT/Unix and some Routers. Then I did my CCNA
and move into a consulting firm as a Junior internetworking Engineer. I
then got the chance to work in some of the most impressive Cisco
environments, with some of the most Knowlegdeable Cisco people in the
Business (I work with a CCIE who's number was 11??). I finally got A job
for a small consulting firm where I was there only Cisco person on
staff, got so much experience that I decided to skip the CCNP all
together. Tutor people who are working on there CCNA/CCNP in my spare
time. I guess I am cheating because I am getting too much experience in
the field.
Listen...Anyone who think that the road to CCIE is a path that you can
take short cuts on...is fooling them self. I have a great memory...but I
don't rely on that too much. I want to be able to pass my lab on only
one hour sleep, no coffee, no studying the last 2 weeks before, without
touching the documentation CD.
PS...I will get a good night sleep however, and I will study
everyday....except the night before.
Courtney Alexander Foster
Sr. Network Engineer
x5910
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Newcomb [mailto:MNewcomb@auroracg.com]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 10:54 AM
To: 'EA Louie'; Giveortake@aol.com
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: 1-day lab format
Bravo!
I know CCIEs that do not work for companies with any other CCIEs, nor
did they need to take the lab more than once. I will give you two names
that I know off the top of my head - Andrew Mason & Bryan Cox
Their prescription for passing the test was:
1) Read
2) Practice
3) Ask questions
4) repeat numbers 1, 2, and 3 between 10,000 and 100,000 times
-----Original Message-----
From: EA Louie [mailto:elouie@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2001 12:29 AM
To: Giveortake@aol.com
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: 1-day lab format
> try. Unless of course you monitor this thread for at least 6 months.
The
> reason is this exam really isnt passable without being extremely
knowledgable
> AND cheating........ Let me say of course that I would never cheat
and
> break the NDA............
>
[snip]
> As always I will master the game..... See you with my CCIE # in April
2002
> on my second attempt.......
>
That makes no sense at all. You've essentially called everyone who
passes a cheater, claim that you won't cheat, but that you'll pass on
your 2nd attempt. Blanket statements like that demonstrate your
incredible immaturity and I disagree with your reasoning 100%. So out
of 7000+ CCIE's you'll be the only one who didn't cheat. Doubtful, my
friend. Most of the CCIEs that I know have pretty high integrity,
worked hard to achieve their certification, and would bristle at your
accusation.
People pass this exam because they prepare thoroughly. They don't cut
corners. They practice repetitively over and over again. They never
look at anything as being too elementary. A little bit of experience in
the field surely helps. Over and over again, people take the lab exam,
and although they study seriously, the background required to take an
exam of this magnitude isn't in their experience. I postulate that
folks have to retake the exam multiple times because they don't prepare
properly, don't have enough experience to get themselves out of a
problem, and don't even know what they don't know until they take the
exam. All three of those postulates are true for me.
Experience...knowledge...practice. Simple formula that Cisco
recommends, and people challenge all the time.
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