From: Christopher Jarosz (cajarosz@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Dec 20 2001 - 03:13:20 GMT-3
I agree with Michael !!
I just took the one day lab exam yesterday and time was a big issue. You
definitely have to know everything, because there is little time for trouble
shooting a scenario. I got caught up in a minor issue that delayed me from
completing the "easy stuff". I'm looking forward to the next time......
best regards
chrisj
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Popovich" <m.popovich@home.com>
To: <jonatale@earthlink.net>; "Santarsiero, Bill"
<BSantarsiero@greenwichtech.com>
Cc: "'Marc Russell '" <mrussell@ccbootcamp.com>; "''Jay Hennigan ' '"
<jay@west.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2001 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: 1-day lab format
> Content hasn't really changed. Time will be the enemy as it was on the
2-day
> I am sure. More so on the 1-day.
>
> Repetitive rack time will do the most good I would imagine. Assuming you
> have a good foundational knowledge of the technologies.
>
> MP
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jonatale@earthlink.net>
> To: "Santarsiero, Bill" <BSantarsiero@greenwichtech.com>
> Cc: "'Marc Russell '" <mrussell@ccbootcamp.com>; "''Jay Hennigan ' '"
> <jay@west.net>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 1:26 AM
> Subject: Re: 1-day lab format
>
>
> > what is the ave number of tries to pass??? 3???
> >
> > Santarsiero, Bill wrote:
> >
> > > Dude,
> > >
> > > You should back off and concentrate on the content of your labs. Why
> are
> > > you so worried about format. I used bootcamp labs for content and
> nothing
> > > more. If the one day format is that different, then people are going
to
> > > have to take it three times for format familiarization. What is so
bad
> with
> > > that. I had to do it with the two day lab!
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Marc Russell
> > > To: 'Jay Hennigan '
> > > Cc: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> > > Sent: 10/11/01 1:15 AM
> > > Subject: RE: 1-day lab format
> > >
> > > So, do you really feel that this type of knowledge really gives
someone
> > > an
> > > unfair advantage? I think this pushes the NDA to an extreme that
wasn't
> > > intended.
> > >
> > > I suppose next it will be considered NDA to discuss what you ate for
> > > lunch
> > > during your exam.
> > >
> > > My interpretation of technical content would be something more like
this
> > > "Hey did you hear that OSPF virtual-links now count for 90% of your
> > > score,
> > > better know that concept cold." If a CCIE candidate is going to
actually
> > > gain an advantage by knowing the extent of preconfiguration of basic
IP,
> > > interfaces, etc. he/she is going to fail miserably and it is a
> > > non-issue.
> > > How would this information help them pass the test? I guess I just
don't
> > > get
> > > it. Help me see the light.
> > >
> > > I have customers and competitors all going crazy over this 1-day
format
> > > deal. It doesn't make any difference, but it is a marketing issue I
need
> > > to
> > > address. The skills, preparation, and knowledge required will be the
> > > same
> > > for either test format. If I can actually get a customer on the phone
> > > and
> > > explain it to them they usually understand that it doesn't matter.
> > >
> > > It is just a customer perception problem I need to deal with. However,
> > > going
> > > through all of our older labs and updating them will be a lot of work
> > > and I
> > > would prefer to do it only once.
> > >
> > > Marc Russell
> > > www.ccbootcamp.com
> > > mrussell@ccbootcamp.com
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jay Hennigan
> > > To: Marc Russell
> > > Cc: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> > > Sent: 10/10/01 5:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: 1-day lab format
> > >
> > > On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Marc Russell wrote:
> > >
> > > > We are looking for feedback from individuals that have actually
taken
> > > the
> > > > new 1-day lab. Please don't break the NDA, we don't want technical
> > > content.
> > > > We just want to know as to what extent the network is
pre-configured.
> > > Is it
> > > > just basic IP addressing and activated interfaces or more complex
> > > issues
> > > > like ISDN setup, frame-relay setup, or basic routing protocols, etc.
> > >
> > > How could revealing that information NOT be an NDA violation? What
one
> > > sees in the lab should stay in the lab. What Cisco chooses to reveal
> > > about it can be found at Cisco's website. The pre-configuration of
the
> > > lab is indeed technical content, is it not?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net
> > > NetLojix Communications, Inc. - http://www.netlojix.com/
> > > WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323
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