From: tom cheung (tkc9789@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Dec 20 2001 - 09:59:07 GMT-3
Don't worry about the format. The 1-day test, based upon personal
experience, is actually easier that the 2-day. Again, this is from personal
experience, no flames please.
>From: jonatale@earthlink.net
>Reply-To: jonatale@earthlink.net
>To: "Santarsiero, Bill" <BSantarsiero@greenwichtech.com>
>CC: "'Marc Russell '" <mrussell@ccbootcamp.com>, "''Jay Hennigan '
>'" <jay@west.net>, "''ccielab@groupstudy.com' '"
><ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Subject: Re: 1-day lab format
>Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2001 23:26:48 -0800
>
>what is the ave number of tries to pass??? 3???
>
>Santarsiero, Bill wrote:
>
> > Dude,
> >
> > You should back off and concentrate on the content of your labs. Why
>are
> > you so worried about format. I used bootcamp labs for content and
>nothing
> > more. If the one day format is that different, then people are going to
> > have to take it three times for format familiarization. What is so bad
>with
> > that. I had to do it with the two day lab!
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marc Russell
> > To: 'Jay Hennigan '
> > Cc: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> > Sent: 10/11/01 1:15 AM
> > Subject: RE: 1-day lab format
> >
> > So, do you really feel that this type of knowledge really gives someone
> > an
> > unfair advantage? I think this pushes the NDA to an extreme that wasn't
> > intended.
> >
> > I suppose next it will be considered NDA to discuss what you ate for
> > lunch
> > during your exam.
> >
> > My interpretation of technical content would be something more like this
> > "Hey did you hear that OSPF virtual-links now count for 90% of your
> > score,
> > better know that concept cold." If a CCIE candidate is going to actually
> > gain an advantage by knowing the extent of preconfiguration of basic IP,
> > interfaces, etc. he/she is going to fail miserably and it is a
> > non-issue.
> > How would this information help them pass the test? I guess I just don't
> > get
> > it. Help me see the light.
> >
> > I have customers and competitors all going crazy over this 1-day format
> > deal. It doesn't make any difference, but it is a marketing issue I need
> > to
> > address. The skills, preparation, and knowledge required will be the
> > same
> > for either test format. If I can actually get a customer on the phone
> > and
> > explain it to them they usually understand that it doesn't matter.
> >
> > It is just a customer perception problem I need to deal with. However,
> > going
> > through all of our older labs and updating them will be a lot of work
> > and I
> > would prefer to do it only once.
> >
> > Marc Russell
> > www.ccbootcamp.com
> > mrussell@ccbootcamp.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jay Hennigan
> > To: Marc Russell
> > Cc: 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
> > Sent: 10/10/01 5:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: 1-day lab format
> >
> > On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Marc Russell wrote:
> >
> > > We are looking for feedback from individuals that have actually taken
> > the
> > > new 1-day lab. Please don't break the NDA, we don't want technical
> > content.
> > > We just want to know as to what extent the network is pre-configured.
> > Is it
> > > just basic IP addressing and activated interfaces or more complex
> > issues
> > > like ISDN setup, frame-relay setup, or basic routing protocols, etc.
> >
> > How could revealing that information NOT be an NDA violation? What one
> > sees in the lab should stay in the lab. What Cisco chooses to reveal
> > about it can be found at Cisco's website. The pre-configuration of the
> > lab is indeed technical content, is it not?
> >
> > --
> > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net
> > NetLojix Communications, Inc. - http://www.netlojix.com/
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