From: Jason Graun (jgraun@xxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Dec 18 2001 - 11:24:36 GMT-3
I been to a lab but I am going to comment on numbers etc... for obvious
reasons, plus I respect the CCIE program. Even if they are making 50+
Million off the exam, there are many expenses, the proctors are not
cheap, and I assume they all have nice 6-figure salaries. In addition,
the space the labs take up costs money, especially if Cisco is renting
the space. The utility bills, new equipment (granted they own the
stuff, somebody still has to be paid to build the devices) and other
miscellaneous costs that we cant think of. I used to consult for a
major telecom company that was a competitor to Cisco and when I was in
budget meetings is was unreal the amount of hidden costs I would never
have thought of and sometimes the amount of wasted funds. Cisco might
be making a profit off the CCIE lab exam and that might have to be done
in order to keep the program viable in the eyes of the Cisco big-boys
and the brass. Therefore, in my opinion the program is even better now
then 2years ago when I decided to embark on becoming a CCIE.
Jason
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From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
Troy Rader
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 11:49 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: OT: ccie stats
Seriously off topic. Do not read on if you dislike off topic comments.
Instead of studying, I am doing stupid math like this...
Curious what anyone else thinks of my numbers.
I had to make quite a few assumptions, and that's the correction I'm
looking for from this group.
>From what I can tell on CCO, there are 11 test sites world wide. I
assume
all are open 7 days per week (possibly not though). I assume the each
seats 10 - 20 candidates. I'll say they are closed 30 days out of the
year for holidays, etc, leaving 335 days open, at 11 sites, with an avg
15
people per day per site. 15 may be too high. I just don't know. But,
11
x 15 is 165 people taking the test every day globally. 165 x 335 is
55,275 people taking the test each year. Even if 15 is too high, and we
say 10, it's 36,850 taking the test each year. Or even 8 people avg per
day per site. That is 29,480. Prior to Oct 1, and the test change, and
possibly 9/11, the pass rate seemed to be around 200+ per month. Now it
seems to be more like 100+ per month. If we assume 1500 pass per year
now, taking the 29,480 number, that is a total pass rate of 5%, not
caring
about # of attempts, etc. If we go ahead and take the 55,275 #, that is
only 2.7% passing the test.
Even more interesting, perhaps, is that at $1250 each, ignoring that
Cisco
probably doesn't pay themselves for their own people to test, at 55,275
test takers per year, that's a cool $69 million Cisco takes in. Even at
only 29,480 test takers, that $37 million. I'm not suggesting that they
are or are not making money. I think they should. Just numbers to look
at
instead of studing...
Any comments? Fatal flaws in my assumptions?
Please no flames. I included OT in the subject. You read it by choice.
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