From: Monty.Majszak@xxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu Oct 04 2001 - 15:50:16 GMT-3
I agree, well said Scott!
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Hoover [mailto:scott.hoover@powerupnetworks.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:38 PM
To: R. Scott King; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
Best damn post I've seen all day. Especially the last paragraph.
-----Original Message-----
From: R. Scott King [mailto:scking@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:10 PM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: New R&S Exam Tidbits
Alright, enough already. Here's the skinny on the one-day.
If you're concerned that it wan't be as hard as the two-day, stop
worrying.
They've taken away all the stuff that any monkey could do and replaced
it
with more in-depth coverage of harder topics (--so stop studying on how
to
set up a term server. If you didn't know how to do that you don't need
to
take this test anyway--go get some experience). When I took the
two-day, I
barely missed passing. I recently received my score for the one-day
(less
that 24 hours later) and it wasn't even close. In other words, this
test is
harder.
BGP and DLSW are worth twice as many points as on the two-day, and
there's a
reason for it. That's probably all I can say about that without
violating
NDA.
The time crunch was bad on the two day but now it's a killer. There
just
isn't enough time to do all of it unless you know it cold. Don't even
think
you're going to look anything up on the CD, it isn't gonna happen.
Troubleshooting is NOT gone, it just takes a different form now. If I
hear
one more person complain that troubleshooting isn't on the test anymore
I'm
personally going to fly to his hometown and flog him with a wet mop.
Yes, you see the whole test on the first day and that could lead to
brain
dumps but there were plently of guys doing that already who had made it
to
the second day. This is not a new problem.
My personal take on this situation, John, is that now that you have your
number you want the testing to stop so that no one else gets it. That's
not
going to happen. Cisco had a huge problem with backlog and I think this
is
as good a solution as they could have come up with. Cut the time
required
in half, make it harder, fail as many people but get them through the
system
in half the time so you can accomodate more.
Bottom line, the test is just as hard as it ever was. If you've already
got
the CCIE and you don't have anything to contribute to the success of
those
of us who are still studying for it, get off this list and find
somewhere
else to vent. This is a forum for test takers, not industry analysts.
Regards,
Scott King
P.S. Flames will be deleted and not answered. I don't have time for
whiners.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Kaberna [mailto:jkaberna@netcginc.com]
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:59 PM
To: Jim Brown; R. Scott King; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: New R&S Exam Tidbits
The difference is that all the prior changes were to make it harder and
adjust to new technologies. This change is not for the same reason.
This
change is to make the lab available to more candidates. That is not a
bad
thing. But, I think that more racks should have been added and a couple
more proctors hired. Are we really to believe this would be that
difficult?
Do you guys really buy that line from Cisco that they can't find a
couple
more proctors? There are quite a few unemployed CCIE's that I
personally
know of. I'm sure they wouldn't mind a six figure job at Cisco when the
stock is nice and low.
John Kaberna
CCIE #7146
NETCG Inc.
Cisco Premier Partner
www.netcginc.com
(415) 750-3800
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