From: DAN DORTON (DHSTS68@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Tue Oct 02 2001 - 10:57:24 GMT-3
I seriously doubt there is a ccie out there that cannot setup an ISL trunk betw
een two networks.
This conversation is really pretty pointless unless you have experienced the ne
w one day lab yourself.
Otherwise you have nothing to base your arguement on.
Dan
>>> Philippon <jaywilphil@yahoo.com> 10/02/01 08:12AM >>>
Where to begin, I could go on and on about this topic
which is why I think everyone needs to stop this
thread because there is no point to ramble on
endlessly.
What will be will be and if you have the skills to
back up your certs you will not be so concious on the
deflation of the CCIE program that you all base your
expertise on. Just hope that it still remains an
accomplishment rather than a requirement like the CCNP
and DP are becoming, which is my only fear. I agree
that they should not devaluate the program, but to
them, not having enough people certified to support
their equipment is not a good thing from a business
standpoint. And they are thinking of $$$ not everyone
elses ego's and insecurities being threaten. And as
we all know, everything ends on the dollar. Also, now
that Cisco is the main obective of every network
engineer, like microsoft used to be, the numbers
certified will rise, that there is no denying or
avoiding. But you can't claim god-like stature based
on the results of one test. I have worked with some
CCIE's who couldn't set up an ISL trunk for two
networks, I am not impressed. Needless to say that I
know that this is not the majority of CCIE's and that
the CCIE status is expertise. That is why I too, like
the rest of you, hope to attain it and everything that
comes with it, but just a thought to ponder. But why
waste valuable posts about how many 1.2376 to the
power of 98 hours the one day is less then the two
day. This is all just a waste of time, what is done
is done, and live with it or go get certified in
juniper or something where you will be about the only
one certified so you will have no more complaints....
And I have a suggestion for any CCIE who doubts the
one day-er. How about you go take the one day lab and
if you pass with flying colors you can be as skeptical
as you want and if you fail you stop the skepticism.
It is easier to pass judgement when you are already on
the other side of the fence. I know that other CCIE's
who passed the two day lab where asked to take the one
day beta and failed them miserably, so maybe it is not
as easy as you think.
My 2 cents.
--- John Kaberna <jkaberna@netcginc.com> wrote:
> Jay,
>
> Caslow is not referring to the lower level tasks.
> Read what he said again.
> He specifically says in the 2-day lab there are 9
> hours of configuration
> tasks. Now he says there is 7.5. He already
> acknowledged one hour for
> basic tasks. See the link below. So, we are in
> fact now missing 1.5 hours
> of configuration and about 3.5 hours of TS.
>
> http://www.i-n-t.de/ccie/new_1_day_lab.html
>
> How are they going to integrate TS? How are they
> going to test password
> recovery? How are they going to test DLCI's being
> changed? They aren't.
> That is just more crap from Cisco to get us all to
> believe the test is
> basically the same without cabling and IP
> addressing. Caslow specifically
> says what will be done ahead of time (i.e. cabling,
> IP address, etc.). So,
> it doesn't look like they are going to change
> config-registers, DLCI's,
> SPID's, passwords, cables, IP address, etc. If they
> did do those things
> then there would be an element of TS. I think that
> would be a step in the
> right direction.
>
> Do you really feel that TS isn't important? I know
> a lot of people on this
> list have said it was very difficult. I know I
> thought it was very easy,
> but I also have extensive REAL WORLD experience not
> 2 years in a home lab.
> That is another reason I think we will have more lab
> rats. Once the 6 or 8
> tests in the pool become readily available on some
> site like
> www.cciebraindump.com it's going to be all over.
>
> I just want to see the integrity of the program
> remain. I'm not saying that
> it won't. But, I cannot ignore that these changes
> don't bode well.
>
> John Kaberna
> CCIE #7146
> NETCG Inc.
> Cisco Premier Partner
> www.netcginc.com
> (415) 750-3800
>
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