From: R. Scott King (scking@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Aug 17 2001 - 13:43:46 GMT-3
One thought--if you and a CCIE are competing for a job, who do you think is
going to get it? You are only fooling yourself if you think this
certification isn't worth pursuing. It's kind of like having a degree--some
jobs won't hire you without it, no matter how much experience you have.
Just go look through Monster.com and see how many internetworking positions
require the applicant to have a CCIE and think about whether you'd even
qualify. If you think the CCIE is worthless, stop pursuing it and get off
this list.
Scott
P.S.: The whole reason the CCIE is going to one day instead of two is so
they can get rid of the preliminary "basics" (like assigning names and IPs
to routers) and get straight into the meat of the test (like BGP
confederations and regexp's). Think about it.
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Peter Rybaczyk
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:56 AM
To: Don Dettmore
Cc: CCIE Lab List
Subject: Re: 1000 CcIE's every 6 month's
I was just recently talking to a friend of mine who is an MCSE. He informed
me
that worldwide, there are appx. 400,000 (yes, four hundred thousand) MCSEs.
There is a recertification requirement by the end of this year (believe it
has
soemthing to do with XP, but don't quote me on it) that's expected to drop
this
number by about 30%, i.e., to about 280,000. According to latest posting on
Cisco's website, there are about 6,400 active CCIEs worldwide. So the
current
ratio between CCIEs and MCSEs is about 1.6 to 100. I think we have a long
way to
go before the number of CCIEs reaches that of MCSEs and the certification is
completely degraded, if it ever will.
On Money Line last night, there was a reference that only about 5 percent of
world population has access to the Internet. Just think about the
implications
of this for those with CCIE skills, especially if you are on the path of
constantly upgrading your skills. If you expect to see an instant return on
your
investment in becoming a CCIE, maybe you got it for a wrong reason. Also, if
you
expect to stop growing after you got it, then I do believe that your CCIE
will
become worthless. But if you view your certification as recognition of your
current skill set and a launching platform for developing new skills, then I
don't believe that a CCIE will ever become degraded, come one-day or
half-day
exams in the future.
I think that the attitude of current CCIEs and especially of wanting to rest
on
your laurals or being concerned about how many other people are joing the
club
is what can create the perception that CCIE certification is getting
worthless.
Folks, the word travels fast. If you start talking to your friends about how
worthless the certification is becoming without giving them the other side
of
the story of the sweat, expense and sacrifice that goes into getting it,
then I
believe that it's the greatest damage that will be done to the
certification.
For me, the numbers speak for themselves. I for one, don't plan on stopping
with
just getting R/S cert. There is Security, there is Dial ISP, there are
others
and I am sure that Cisco is open to developing new tracks as technology
evolves
and is also committed to maintaining the integrity of the certifications
regardless of the exam format.
And BTW, those kind of postings are not a motivation killer for me to
proceed
with my preparation and striving to get the number. I think they are more a
result of ignorance than anything else. Flames welcome.
Best regards,
Peter
9 days till 1st attempt
Don Dettmore wrote:
> You are absolutely right - it's quickly becoming another MCSE/CNE. I
can't
> wait for the 'CCIE for Dummies' book.
>
> Seriously, though, at this level, your experience/ability gets you the
job -
> the CCIE a minor peice of validation. (and getting more and more minor
> every day)
>
> Don
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Barone" <steve@chetona.com>
> To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:30 AM
> Subject: 1000 CcIE's every 6 month's
>
> > The run from CCIE #6,800 to CCIE #8,000 was from February
> > to August 2001. Who say's this certification has and will
> > maintain it's value with CCIE #10,000 less than 1 year away.
> > Probably faster with the number of one day lab candidate's
> > increasing the number's.
> >
> > Steve
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