From: George Louis (jlouis08@xxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Aug 17 2001 - 13:30:57 GMT-3
Excellent synopsis on the issue. Everyone should keep in mind that
internetworks are growing world wide. This growth will directly increase the
demand for skilled people. The number of ccie's and other certified
individuals are going to increase due to this demand. Simply because the
number of people who hold the certification goes up does not necessarily
devaluate it. If the number remained relatively the same as the growth of
the world's internetworks continued the value of the certification would go
up. Inevitably the demand would get so high at one point (due to the
growth of internetworks) that there would be a large group of networking
professionals trying to obtain high-demand certifications. In addition, with
such a large group and the nature of the internet, many individuals would
collaborate and share resources available. Thus, making more information and
resources for preparation available for this large group of individuals to
be more likely to succeed. In the recent past, there were not as many
resources available to prepare. The increase in the number of individuals
obtaining a CCIE # is due to a large increase in the number of people
pursuing it, a greater amount of information and resources available, and
the rapid growth of the industry. This concern about a practical lab
examination becoming like mcse or cne certifications is ridiculous. Either
you know how to apply the required technologies at an expert level or you
don't. One does not need to get upset because more and more people are
attaining that level. I agree that the most damaging threat to any
certification is to create speculation about the possibility of its'
devaluation.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Rybaczyk" <psrsam@globalins.com>
To: "Don Dettmore" <don@donshouse.com>
Cc: "CCIE Lab List" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: 1000 CcIE's every 6 month's
> I was just recently talking to a friend of mine who is an MCSE. He
informed me
> that worldwide, there are appx. 400,000 (yes, four hundred thousand)
MCSEs.
> There is a recertification requirement by the end of this year (believe it
has
> soemthing to do with XP, but don't quote me on it) that's expected to drop
this
> number by about 30%, i.e., to about 280,000. According to latest posting
on
> Cisco's website, there are about 6,400 active CCIEs worldwide. So the
current
> ratio between CCIEs and MCSEs is about 1.6 to 100. I think we have a long
way to
> go before the number of CCIEs reaches that of MCSEs and the certification
is
> completely degraded, if it ever will.
>
> On Money Line last night, there was a reference that only about 5 percent
of
> world population has access to the Internet. Just think about the
implications
> of this for those with CCIE skills, especially if you are on the path of
> constantly upgrading your skills. If you expect to see an instant return
on your
> investment in becoming a CCIE, maybe you got it for a wrong reason. Also,
if you
> expect to stop growing after you got it, then I do believe that your CCIE
will
> become worthless. But if you view your certification as recognition of
your
> current skill set and a launching platform for developing new skills, then
I
> don't believe that a CCIE will ever become degraded, come one-day or
half-day
> exams in the future.
>
> I think that the attitude of current CCIEs and especially of wanting to
rest on
> your laurals or being concerned about how many other people are joing the
club
> is what can create the perception that CCIE certification is getting
worthless.
> Folks, the word travels fast. If you start talking to your friends about
how
> worthless the certification is becoming without giving them the other side
of
> the story of the sweat, expense and sacrifice that goes into getting it,
then I
> believe that it's the greatest damage that will be done to the
certification.
>
> For me, the numbers speak for themselves. I for one, don't plan on
stopping with
> just getting R/S cert. There is Security, there is Dial ISP, there are
others
> and I am sure that Cisco is open to developing new tracks as technology
evolves
> and is also committed to maintaining the integrity of the certifications
> regardless of the exam format.
>
> And BTW, those kind of postings are not a motivation killer for me to
proceed
> with my preparation and striving to get the number. I think they are more
a
> result of ignorance than anything else. Flames welcome.
>
> Best regards,
> Peter
> 9 days till 1st attempt
>
>
>
>
> Don Dettmore wrote:
>
> > You are absolutely right - it's quickly becoming another MCSE/CNE. I
can't
> > wait for the 'CCIE for Dummies' book.
> >
> > Seriously, though, at this level, your experience/ability gets you the
job -
> > the CCIE a minor peice of validation. (and getting more and more minor
> > every day)
> >
> > Don
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Barone" <steve@chetona.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:30 AM
> > Subject: 1000 CcIE's every 6 month's
> >
> > > The run from CCIE #6,800 to CCIE #8,000 was from February
> > > to August 2001. Who say's this certification has and will
> > > maintain it's value with CCIE #10,000 less than 1 year away.
> > > Probably faster with the number of one day lab candidate's
> > > increasing the number's.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
> > **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
> **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
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