From: Michael Snyder (msnyder@xxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Aug 17 2001 - 14:18:51 GMT-3
Matt,
This is our life, you go find another list if this life isn't for you.
About the time to "calculate the rate per month". All the groupstudy
messages are dated. Most of the members post a message when they get their
CCIE number.
You might not be able to do the high math because you are so busy, but I
believe the following will work.
CCIE# and Date from Older Message =number1,date1
CCIE# and Date from Newer Message=number2,date2
Rate=(number2-number1)/(date2-date1)
Should take about a minute or two to look up two messages and crunch the
numbers.
And Lastly, about the True "That is irrevelevant if the exam has not become
easier" Statement. If the number of test takers double and the pass rate
per test doesn't drop by half. They we WILL have a higher total pass rate
per month.
Where
T=test takers
P=Pass rate
Thus,
going from
Total/month=T*P
to
Total/month=2T*P
I feel sorry for the first one day takers, because Cisco will try (but fail)
to prove the new pass rate is closer to P/2. Of course the pass rate will
creep back up as the study groups gear up for new test. Thus, over the long
term the pass rate will probably stay the same or drop just a bit. Doesn't
matter thought because the number of test takers has doubled.
Hence more CCIE's and lower salaries than had they stayed with the two day
format.
Don't know about you but the "a lower salary over my lifetime" issue, is
important to me.
P.S. Sorry if I was a little hard on you, but some very serious people
follow these numbers at Cisco, I believe it's in our best interest to also
follow these numbers.
One more thing, The bean counters in this economy, will be looking for a
reason to pay less. Oh, you only passed the one day lab? hmmm....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bolcer, Matt" <matt.bolcer@eds.com>
To: "CCIE Lab List" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:57 AM
Subject: RE: 1000 CcIE's every 6 month's
> This is all so annoying to see these posts pop up every week or so about
how
> the CCIE could or is becoming less worthy since "X" number of people now
> have it. That is irrevelevant if the exam has not become easier, which it
> has not now has it? In fact the addition of new technologies continually
> makes it harder to keep up with (e.g., 12.1 IOS in November - lot's of new
> stuff in there to worry about).
>
> I guess to saitsfy some people, the exam taker should be allowed to
attempt
> it only once every ten years!!!! Jeesh, if someone has the time to
> calculate the 'rate' of CCIE's over a period of time, they need to get a
> life.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Pontrelli [mailto:dp595@optonline.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:49 AM
> To: Don Dettmore; CCIE Lab List
> Subject: Re: 1000 CcIE's every 6 month's
>
>
> I disagree in some respects.
> I don't believe the CCIE will ever be the Cisco equivalent of the MCSE no
> matter how many you have (unless Microsoft raises the standards of the
MCSE)
> .
> I really don't want to start another discussion about whether or not the
> CCIE (old or new format) qualifies you as an "expert" but I think it is
safe
> to say that regardless of whether or not it gets a little harder or a
little
> easier it is still an exam that tests your knowledge/ability of the
> product/subject matter on a higher level than that of the MCSE.
>
> On the flip side this does not mean that it will make the "CCIE" as an
> individual valuable. This is controlled by supply and demand, so yes the
> value of the CCIE could become worthless if a million people decide to go
> for it.
>
> Just my .02
>
> Dan Pontrelli
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > You are absolutely right - it's quickly becoming another MCSE/CNE. I
> can't
> > wait for the 'CCIE for Dummies' book.
> >
> > Seriously, though, at this level, your experience/ability gets you the
> job -
> > the CCIE a minor peice of validation. (and getting more and more minor
> > every day)
> >
> > Don
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Barone" <steve@chetona.com>
> > To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:30 AM
> > Subject: 1000 CcIE's every 6 month's
> >
> >
> > > The run from CCIE #6,800 to CCIE #8,000 was from February
> > > to August 2001. Who say's this certification has and will
> > > maintain it's value with CCIE #10,000 less than 1 year away.
> > > Probably faster with the number of one day lab candidate's
> > > increasing the number's.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
> > **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
> **Please read:http://www.groupstudy.com/list/posting.html
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