From: Scott Morris (smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Aug 17 2001 - 11:37:42 GMT-3
I really have no idea whether we're "allowed" to do that or not. Although I
certainly wouldn't mine being paid to do so.
What kind of reserve price would we set? I mean I'd hate to think that we'd
get bought for a year for only $5. :)
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Pontrelli [mailto:dp595@optonline.net]
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:26 AM
To: Scott Morris; 'Jay Hennigan'; jonatale@earthlink.net
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Taking the number with you...
If you guys are serious I'll set up a "dutch" auction and get you all in
there.
I'm sure somebody out there would like to become an instant Gold Partner :-)
-Dan Pontrelli
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@mentortech.com>
To: "'Jay Hennigan'" <jay@west.net>; <jonatale@earthlink.net>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: Taking the number with you...
> Auctioning myself on EBay... Now THERE'S something I hadn't thought
of!!!!
>
> I wonder if EBay would allow it. ;)
>
> Would I then be considered a slave? Or a prostitute?
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> Jay Hennigan
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:08 AM
> To: jonatale@earthlink.net
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Taking the number with you...
>
>
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 jonatale@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> > what if you pay for the ccie yourself?
>
> It doesn't matter.
>
> I'm not a lawyer, and I don't work for Cisco so take this as my
> interpretation
> of what's out there. It's worth at least twice what you paid for it. ;-)
>
> There are two issues here that are both pretty clear from reading Cisco's
> website.
>
> ISSUE 1: Who is entitled to be recognized as being a CCIE?
>
> The CCIE certification and number are granted to and remain with the
> individual who qualifies, regardless of his or her employment status.
>
> In fact, the employer is _prohibited_ from claiming any CCIE
qualifications
> for the organization itself. They can state that they have CCIEs on
staff,
> but not that the organization is itself CCIE.
>
> You earned it, it's yours, regardless of who paid for the lab fees or
> training. You may have some contractural obligations if you agreed to
> remain with a company for a specific period in exchange for training,
> but that's a separate issue between you and your employer and doesn't
> affect your CCIE status.
>
>
> ISSUE 2: How are CCIE requirements counted for Cisco Partners?
>
> There are benefits in terms of deeper discounts granted by Cisco for
> reseller Partners based on the Partner level; Premier, Silver, Gold.
>
> One of the requirements for the higher levels (and thus the deeper
> discounts) is employing certain numbers of CCIEs. This has traditionally
> been one of the more difficult obstacles to the higher levels. Even
> despite the high salaries commanded by CCIEs, the additional discount
> points granted to a high-volume Partner are such that it is often
> cheaper for a Partner to hire a CCIE away from a competitor than to
> "grow" one in-house through training, etc. "Raiding" a competing
> reseller has the added advantage of not only increasing your CCIE
> count but decreasing that of your competition.
>
> In order to prevent CCIEs from auctioning themselves on EBay, etc.,
> and to minimize the raiding, Cisco structured rules rewarding its
> Partners for growing new CCIEs in-house and also discouraging them
> from hiring CCIEs away from other Partners. I believe that the basics
> are that if you hire a CCIE from another reseller, you can't "count"
> that CCIE for six months after date of hire, and if you lose a CCIE
> you have a year to find a replacement.
>
> The whole of issue 2 is of strategic and bargaining interest to CCIEs
> in terms of their employment options, particularly if they are presently
> employed by a Cisco Partner. The individual still is entitled to the
> number and the certification regardless of employment.
>
> Strategically, if you're employed by a Cisco reseller, the best time
> to negotiate a better salary is immediately before you pass the Lab.
>
> Once you're qualified as a CCIE and employed by a Cisco reseller, you
> are less valuable to other resellers as they can't "count" you until
> you've been on their payroll for six months and less valuable to your
> present employer as you can still be counted for a year after you leave.
>
> This whole discussion really belongs on the jobs list.
>
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