From: Scott Morris (smorris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri Aug 17 2001 - 12:10:50 GMT-3
heheheh.... And we'd charge extra for specializations too, at least for
partners that benefit from it... And there would have to be some sort of
"handling" fee as well, that we could use for equipment purchases for
group-lab development.
If we're going to do this, at least we should get stuff! ;)
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Pontrelli [mailto:dp595@optonline.net]
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:05 AM
To: smorris@mentortech.com; 'Jay Hennigan'; jonatale@earthlink.net
Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: Re: Taking the number with you...
Makes you wonder what the legal issues would be, doesn't it ?
According to the statistics regarding current growth rate of CCIEs, we
wouldn't have to settle for $5 for another 6 months.
As a promotional incentive, if the auction doubles the reserve we can give
away free pig's feet.
And the 2-day CCIE will be at double the reserve price of the 1-day CCIE
while the 1-day CCIE will have the "buy it now" option for $100.
We'll use tradenable for escrow so that if the buyer is not happy with the
1-day CCIE, they can send them back (they would still be liable for the
escrow fee of course) and bid on a 2-day CCIE.
Any takers ?
-Dan
> I really have no idea whether we're "allowed" to do that or not. Although
I
> certainly wouldn't mine being paid to do so.
>
> What kind of reserve price would we set? I mean I'd hate to think that
we'd
> get bought for a year for only $5. :)
>
> Scott
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Pontrelli [mailto:dp595@optonline.net]
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:26 AM
> To: Scott Morris; 'Jay Hennigan'; jonatale@earthlink.net
> Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: Taking the number with you...
>
>
> If you guys are serious I'll set up a "dutch" auction and get you all in
> there.
> I'm sure somebody out there would like to become an instant Gold Partner
:-)
>
>
> -Dan Pontrelli
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Scott Morris" <smorris@mentortech.com>
> To: "'Jay Hennigan'" <jay@west.net>; <jonatale@earthlink.net>
> Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 8:22 AM
> Subject: RE: Taking the number with you...
>
>
> > Auctioning myself on EBay... Now THERE'S something I hadn't thought
> of!!!!
> >
> > I wonder if EBay would allow it. ;)
> >
> > Would I then be considered a slave? Or a prostitute?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
> > Jay Hennigan
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:08 AM
> > To: jonatale@earthlink.net
> > Cc: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: Taking the number with you...
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Aug 2001 jonatale@earthlink.net wrote:
> >
> > > what if you pay for the ccie yourself?
> >
> > It doesn't matter.
> >
> > I'm not a lawyer, and I don't work for Cisco so take this as my
> > interpretation
> > of what's out there. It's worth at least twice what you paid for it.
;-)
> >
> > There are two issues here that are both pretty clear from reading
Cisco's
> > website.
> >
> > ISSUE 1: Who is entitled to be recognized as being a CCIE?
> >
> > The CCIE certification and number are granted to and remain with the
> > individual who qualifies, regardless of his or her employment status.
> >
> > In fact, the employer is _prohibited_ from claiming any CCIE
> qualifications
> > for the organization itself. They can state that they have CCIEs on
> staff,
> > but not that the organization is itself CCIE.
> >
> > You earned it, it's yours, regardless of who paid for the lab fees or
> > training. You may have some contractural obligations if you agreed to
> > remain with a company for a specific period in exchange for training,
> > but that's a separate issue between you and your employer and doesn't
> > affect your CCIE status.
> >
> >
> > ISSUE 2: How are CCIE requirements counted for Cisco Partners?
> >
> > There are benefits in terms of deeper discounts granted by Cisco for
> > reseller Partners based on the Partner level; Premier, Silver, Gold.
> >
> > One of the requirements for the higher levels (and thus the deeper
> > discounts) is employing certain numbers of CCIEs. This has
traditionally
> > been one of the more difficult obstacles to the higher levels. Even
> > despite the high salaries commanded by CCIEs, the additional discount
> > points granted to a high-volume Partner are such that it is often
> > cheaper for a Partner to hire a CCIE away from a competitor than to
> > "grow" one in-house through training, etc. "Raiding" a competing
> > reseller has the added advantage of not only increasing your CCIE
> > count but decreasing that of your competition.
> >
> > In order to prevent CCIEs from auctioning themselves on EBay, etc.,
> > and to minimize the raiding, Cisco structured rules rewarding its
> > Partners for growing new CCIEs in-house and also discouraging them
> > from hiring CCIEs away from other Partners. I believe that the basics
> > are that if you hire a CCIE from another reseller, you can't "count"
> > that CCIE for six months after date of hire, and if you lose a CCIE
> > you have a year to find a replacement.
> >
> > The whole of issue 2 is of strategic and bargaining interest to CCIEs
> > in terms of their employment options, particularly if they are presently
> > employed by a Cisco Partner. The individual still is entitled to the
> > number and the certification regardless of employment.
> >
> > Strategically, if you're employed by a Cisco reseller, the best time
> > to negotiate a better salary is immediately before you pass the Lab.
> >
> > Once you're qualified as a CCIE and employed by a Cisco reseller, you
> > are less valuable to other resellers as they can't "count" you until
> > you've been on their payroll for six months and less valuable to your
> > present employer as you can still be counted for a year after you leave.
> >
> > This whole discussion really belongs on the jobs list.
> >
> > --
> > Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Administration - jay@west.net
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