From: Martin, Chris (chris@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Wed May 17 2000 - 00:54:10 GMT-3
WEll i dont know about anyone else but im busting my butt studying for this
lab. It has taken 80% of my social life away and when i pass it will be a
very good accomplishment for me. So i dont need someone else to say its
easy. I think its very hard. Smart people fail it all the time. Did ever
occur to Roman that there is a 6 month waiting list to take the lab, and few
people post passing messages on this board!?! Give me a break...
Go get your A+ certification...
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Kaberna" <jkaberna@netcginc.com>
To: "Roman Rodichev" <rodic000@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
> I think the vast majority of us do care if people violate the NDA, cheat,
or
> pass an easy exam. The only thing that makes it special is its difficulty
> and the fact that its somewhat exclusive (although that is changing
> drastically). If that wasn't the case I don't think most of us would be
> here. The things I mentioned are making the lab easier. I don't think it
> will ever be easy per se, but I do think that its probably a lot easier
than
> it was say 2 years ago. The only reason I think that is the case is
because
> there was very little preparation materials 2 years ago not to mention
> places like groupstudy where you can come and find a ton of test
questions.
> Now if someone goes through all of the avenues I mentioned they will have
a
> good portion of the lab. That to me is really a shame.
>
> John Kaberna
> CCIE #7146
> NETCG Inc
> www.netcginc.com
> (415) 750-3800
> Fax: 750-3900
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roman Rodichev" <rodic000@hotmail.com>
> To: <jkaberna@netcginc.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> Cc: <stasbihsazan@comtech.com.au>
> Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
>
>
> >
> > Well, I agree with you. I agree that introductions are extra (even
though
> I
> > introduced myself) and OT shouldn't be posted (even though I posted a
> > couple).
> >
> > But here is what I think...
> >
> > i do not care if someone violates nda
> > i do not care if someone cheats to get his ccie
> > i do not care if someone things that ccie will become easy, because it
> won't
> >
> > .... I'm doing ccie for my myself, for my own good, actually I just want
> to
> > get the jacket. My other leather jacket is getting kind of old ...
> >
> > one ccie is not the highest peak you can get to. Buddy of mine has 3
CCIEs
> > (R&S, ISP DIAL, DESIGN) and he is going for C&S in August. Now that's
what
> I
> > call hardcore...
> >
> >
> > >From: "John Kaberna" <jkaberna@netcginc.com>
> > >To: "Roman Rodichev" <rodic000@hotmail.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >CC: <stasbihsazan@comtech.com.au>
> > >Subject: Re: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
> > >Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:45:45 -0700
> > >
> > >Personally I thought what he said was right on. A little blunt but I
> think
> > >that's what's needed. In my opinion, the CCIE lab is somewhat tainted
> > >anyways. Almost every question posted on this list is an NDA
violation.
> > >With the combination of this NDA violating list, practice labs, and
> courses
> > >such as ECP a person can go from CCNA to CCIE in a few months with no
> real
> > >experience. I've seen a few of those people recently and it makes me
> ill.
> > >I didn't attend a single course, buy a home lab, or have my company
shell
> > >out 10s of thousand of training dollars. Even so, my lab was fairly
> > >elementary. I scored in the mid 90s and was home by 4pm on day 2. So,
> > >although I feel qualified I really don't think the lab was that hard.
> The
> > >shear increase in numbers should tell people something. Hopefully
Cisco
> > >makes the lab hard again and starts busting people for these NDA
> > >violations.
> > >Until then I guess we will have to deal with the people that slip
through
> > >the cracks. Fortunately a guy with a few months of experience isn't
> going
> > >to beat me out for any jobs but nonetheless they make devalue the
> > >certification. And for the flamers, no I don't think it will ever be
> like
> > >a
> > >Microsoft exam. So you can keep those comments in your shorts.
> > >
> > >As far as complaining about how people subject their emails, I get over
> 100
> > >messages a day and I really don't care for the introductions and lab
> swaps
> > >either. I think someone should introduce themselves when they have
> > >something to contribute or ask. That way its still only one message.
> The
> > >fact that there are so many messages and people not following the
> > >guidelines
> > >makes this list almost unmanageable. But, I guess some people have
time
> to
> > >read through 300 messages a day. Maybe those are the same lab rats
that
> > >can
> > >pass the exam with little to no real experience.
> > >
> > >I do have to say your sniveling comment about how many times he failed
is
> > >uncalled for. How many times did you fail?
> > >
> > >John Kaberna
> > >CCIE #7146
> > >NETCG Inc
> > >www.netcginc.com
> > >(415) 750-3800
> > >Fax: 750-3900
> > >
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Roman Rodichev" <rodic000@hotmail.com>
> > >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > >Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:05 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Since you are pissed off so much, I can't hold myself from asking
this
> > > > question... So how many times did you fail your lab? 5? 6?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: stasbihsazan@comtech.com.au
> > > > >Reply-To: stasbihsazan@comtech.com.au
> > > > >To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > >Subject: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
> > > > >Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:05:01 +1030
> > > > >
> > > > >People,
> > > > >
> > > > >1. ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING in Cisco IOS 12.0.+ will be in the LAB
and
> > >is
> > >a
> > > > >fair
> > > > >question.
> > > > >Please stop asking what's in what's out as people can't break the
NDA
> > >for
> > > > >the
> > > > >fun of it
> > > > >
> > > > >2. Do not introduce yourselves.... NO ONE IS INTERESTED
> > > > >
> > > > >3. If you really have the urge to introduce yourself and put your
> > > > >insignificant
> > > > >qualifications and 4 letter acronyms or if you would like
> > > > >to swap labs and other stuff like that use "OT" as the subject of
> your
> > > > >e-mail
> > > > >
> > > > >Finally this is not a chat club.. if you want to chat to a dude,
> e-mail
> > >him
> > > > >directly
> > > > >
> > > > >My mail box is full of none-ccie core related cr*p and I have had
> > >enough
> > >of
> > > > >it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >In case you are wondering why I didn't use "OT" myself for this
> > >e-mail...
> > > > >Because I wanted you to read it.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks,
> > > > >Saeed
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >======================================================================
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