From: Roman Rodichev (rodic000@xxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri May 18 2001 - 02:48:59 GMT-3
chris? I think we all need to get some sleep. I understand how we all feel.
Our lives have paused... because we are studying for this. Chris, you lost
80% of your social life? I lost 100% of mine. Everyone, let's just relax, we
are all trying to achieve the same goal. And there is no need to get into
these kind of discussions. I'm sorry. I realize that I started it all. Let's
just stop this.
>From: chris@pacinter.net (Martin, Chris)
>To: "John Kaberna" <jkaberna@netcginc.com>, "Roman Rodichev"
><rodic000@hotmail.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Subject: OT Re: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
>Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:54:10 -0700
>
>WEll i dont know about anyone else but im busting my butt studying for this
>lab. It has taken 80% of my social life away and when i pass it will be a
>very good accomplishment for me. So i dont need someone else to say its
>easy. I think its very hard. Smart people fail it all the time. Did ever
>occur to Roman that there is a 6 month waiting list to take the lab, and
>few
>people post passing messages on this board!?! Give me a break...
>
>Go get your A+ certification...
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "John Kaberna" <jkaberna@netcginc.com>
>To: "Roman Rodichev" <rodic000@hotmail.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:14 PM
>Subject: Re: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
>
>
> > I think the vast majority of us do care if people violate the NDA,
>cheat,
>or
> > pass an easy exam. The only thing that makes it special is its
>difficulty
> > and the fact that its somewhat exclusive (although that is changing
> > drastically). If that wasn't the case I don't think most of us would be
> > here. The things I mentioned are making the lab easier. I don't think
>it
> > will ever be easy per se, but I do think that its probably a lot easier
>than
> > it was say 2 years ago. The only reason I think that is the case is
>because
> > there was very little preparation materials 2 years ago not to mention
> > places like groupstudy where you can come and find a ton of test
>questions.
> > Now if someone goes through all of the avenues I mentioned they will
>have
>a
> > good portion of the lab. That to me is really a shame.
> >
> > John Kaberna
> > CCIE #7146
> > NETCG Inc
> > www.netcginc.com
> > (415) 750-3800
> > Fax: 750-3900
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roman Rodichev" <rodic000@hotmail.com>
> > To: <jkaberna@netcginc.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > Cc: <stasbihsazan@comtech.com.au>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Well, I agree with you. I agree that introductions are extra (even
>though
> > I
> > > introduced myself) and OT shouldn't be posted (even though I posted a
> > > couple).
> > >
> > > But here is what I think...
> > >
> > > i do not care if someone violates nda
> > > i do not care if someone cheats to get his ccie
> > > i do not care if someone things that ccie will become easy, because it
> > won't
> > >
> > > .... I'm doing ccie for my myself, for my own good, actually I just
>want
> > to
> > > get the jacket. My other leather jacket is getting kind of old ...
> > >
> > > one ccie is not the highest peak you can get to. Buddy of mine has 3
>CCIEs
> > > (R&S, ISP DIAL, DESIGN) and he is going for C&S in August. Now that's
>what
> > I
> > > call hardcore...
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "John Kaberna" <jkaberna@netcginc.com>
> > > >To: "Roman Rodichev" <rodic000@hotmail.com>, <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > >CC: <stasbihsazan@comtech.com.au>
> > > >Subject: Re: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
> > > >Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:45:45 -0700
> > > >
> > > >Personally I thought what he said was right on. A little blunt but I
> > think
> > > >that's what's needed. In my opinion, the CCIE lab is somewhat
>tainted
> > > >anyways. Almost every question posted on this list is an NDA
>violation.
> > > >With the combination of this NDA violating list, practice labs, and
> > courses
> > > >such as ECP a person can go from CCNA to CCIE in a few months with no
> > real
> > > >experience. I've seen a few of those people recently and it makes me
> > ill.
> > > >I didn't attend a single course, buy a home lab, or have my company
>shell
> > > >out 10s of thousand of training dollars. Even so, my lab was fairly
> > > >elementary. I scored in the mid 90s and was home by 4pm on day 2.
>So,
> > > >although I feel qualified I really don't think the lab was that hard.
> > The
> > > >shear increase in numbers should tell people something. Hopefully
>Cisco
> > > >makes the lab hard again and starts busting people for these NDA
> > > >violations.
> > > >Until then I guess we will have to deal with the people that slip
>through
> > > >the cracks. Fortunately a guy with a few months of experience isn't
> > going
> > > >to beat me out for any jobs but nonetheless they make devalue the
> > > >certification. And for the flamers, no I don't think it will ever be
> > like
> > > >a
> > > >Microsoft exam. So you can keep those comments in your shorts.
> > > >
> > > >As far as complaining about how people subject their emails, I get
>over
> > 100
> > > >messages a day and I really don't care for the introductions and lab
> > swaps
> > > >either. I think someone should introduce themselves when they have
> > > >something to contribute or ask. That way its still only one message.
> > The
> > > >fact that there are so many messages and people not following the
> > > >guidelines
> > > >makes this list almost unmanageable. But, I guess some people have
>time
> > to
> > > >read through 300 messages a day. Maybe those are the same lab rats
>that
> > > >can
> > > >pass the exam with little to no real experience.
> > > >
> > > >I do have to say your sniveling comment about how many times he
>failed
>is
> > > >uncalled for. How many times did you fail?
> > > >
> > > >John Kaberna
> > > >CCIE #7146
> > > >NETCG Inc
> > > >www.netcginc.com
> > > >(415) 750-3800
> > > >Fax: 750-3900
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Roman Rodichev" <rodic000@hotmail.com>
> > > >To: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
> > > >Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:05 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Since you are pissed off so much, I can't hold myself from asking
>this
> > > > > question... So how many times did you fail your lab? 5? 6?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: stasbihsazan@comtech.com.au
> > > > > >Reply-To: stasbihsazan@comtech.com.au
> > > > > >To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
> > > > > >Subject: Let me TELL you what's in the LAB!!!
> > > > > >Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:05:01 +1030
> > > > > >
> > > > > >People,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >1. ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING in Cisco IOS 12.0.+ will be in the LAB
>and
> > > >is
> > > >a
> > > > > >fair
> > > > > >question.
> > > > > >Please stop asking what's in what's out as people can't break the
>NDA
> > > >for
> > > > > >the
> > > > > >fun of it
> > > > > >
> > > > > >2. Do not introduce yourselves.... NO ONE IS INTERESTED
> > > > > >
> > > > > >3. If you really have the urge to introduce yourself and put your
> > > > > >insignificant
> > > > > >qualifications and 4 letter acronyms or if you would like
> > > > > >to swap labs and other stuff like that use "OT" as the subject
>of
> > your
> > > > > >e-mail
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Finally this is not a chat club.. if you want to chat to a dude,
> > e-mail
> > > >him
> > > > > >directly
> > > > > >
> > > > > >My mail box is full of none-ccie core related cr*p and I have had
> > > >enough
> > > >of
> > > > > >it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >In case you are wondering why I didn't use "OT" myself for this
> > > >e-mail...
> > > > > >Because I wanted you to read it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Thanks,
> > > > > >Saeed
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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