From: Dan (dp595@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Thu Feb 15 2001 - 19:20:50 GMT-3
Well it's all relative. If you want to be an expert in this new millenium,
then there is a lot more you'll need to know.
Dan Pontrelli
Customer Installation Engineer - Verio NYC
CCNP, MCSE, CNA
----- Original Message -----
From: "tv" <tvarriale@telocity.com>
To: "Peter" <peter@web53.com>
Cc: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: Number of new CCIE's (off topic)
> You are indeed correct. If any of you guys that are CCIE's (newer
numbers),
> talk to some of the old schoolers. Ask them to diagram their lab (within
> the NDA), and you'll will be very surprised on how "easy" their lab was.
> The fact is that there are many more things for today's CCIE to learn.
Now,
> if you call that more difficult, so be it. I call it relative to the
time.
>
> tv
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter" <peter@web53.com>
> To: "Tyler Pomerhn" <tpomerhn@cisco.com>; "Kenneth Sacca"
> <ksacca@cisco.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>; <markl11@hotmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 2:33 PM
> Subject: !Re: Number of new CCIE's (off topic)
>
>
> > Lemme guess, you are CCIE # 2XXX? Bullshit. Talk to some of those
guys.
> I
> > work with about 20 CCIE's and everyone who got theirs 2-3 years ago all
> > agree that the test itself is much more difficult today. There are way
> more
> > features in IOS than there was. So why are more people passing?
> Marketing,
> > the internet, hype about certification, exam prep material, etc. Never
> > before have there been recepies on how to get certified. To all those
who
> > have passed and are now saying how easy it is, get off your high horse.
> > Yes, you have learned much more than you previously know, but the
> > difficulity of the exam still remains the same.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tyler Pomerhn" <tpomerhn@cisco.com>
> > To: "Kenneth Sacca" <ksacca@cisco.com>; <ccielab@groupstudy.com>;
> > <markl11@hotmail.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 12:30 PM
> > Subject: RE: Number of new CCIE's (off topic)
> >
> >
> > > > Jeez this topic is boring and so out of touch with
> > > > reality. I bet most of the complainers here are
> > > > former MCSE, CNE, ASE, A+ and all of those other
> > > > certification holders.
> > >
> > > If it's so boring, why the scathing email?
> > >
> > > ...and good comparison - if the trend keeps up, CCIE's won't be worth
> > > anything more than a MCSE. If that comes about, I wouldn't bother with
> > > the effort of even trying.
> > >
> > > > Your career isn't based on a certification. You
> > > > will never have a little fraternity of 5000 CCIEs
> > > > worldwide, where no one else can join the club.
> > >
> > > CCIE's dictate careers. Face it. And of course, as time goes on,
> > > there'll be more and more CCIE's. But you cannot argue with me saying
> > > that the test hasn't gotten easier. Believe me, I know a good deal
about
> > > the program (being inside Cisco and at the RTP site), and you cannot
win
> > > this argument with me.
> > >
> > > We're not saying "Don't let anyone into the club." We're saying, "Make
> > > it just as difficult to get into the club now as it was when I
joined."
> > >
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