From: Scott Morris (smorris@xxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri May 26 2000 - 13:37:42 GMT-3
I agree with you to a point... I think there are some inherently "lazy"
questions that shouldn't be answered. Some questions at least demonstrate
SOME knowledge of a particular technology, and perhaps that you have indeed
tried before.
As a teacher, I'm sure you can appreciate that the answer is not always just
to tell people how to do something, but often to encourage them on their own
to solve it, and help them with the thinking. So that same premise indeed
admits there are lazy questions, but provides a reasonable method of dealing
with them rather than "ignoring" the person asking the question.
I have a personal opinion about the what kind of questions I expect on a
list where members should be of a particular caliber. Perhaps that's an
unreasonable assumption on my part, but if you've passed the written and are
truly preparing (not playing) for the CCIE lab exam, then you should be
assumed to demonstrate some initiative on your own.
Perhaps that's just my idealistic feeling that an "expert" in any field
doesn't know everything, but has a process of learning and searching an
answer out where the first step is not to call TAC or a newsgroup for the
answer. Perhaps I'm just lacking the patience to deal with those who don't
try. I'm not sure.
I DO agree that people should not feel initimidated at all! That would
defeat the purpose of this group. I enjoy seeing the posts and help, and
contributing when I can (when I'm not being cranky) (grin)... I agree with
some of the previous posts about asking questions about a technology that
aren't DIRECTLY tied to a specific exam question (although without taking it
recently, I wouldn't be able to guess which things were direct questions and
which weren't).
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Earl Aboytes
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 12:18 PM
To: Horton, Jeff; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: GROUPSTUDY - ETHICS
I agree with the prior postings except that I don't want anyone to feel
intimidated by them. No question is a lazy question. I think it is
important that everyone here feel unintimidated to ask any questions that
they want. I am very advanced in my IP studies but not very advanced in my
multicast studies and I am struggling. What better way to get me at a level
where I can start understanding what I am reading by ask some lazy questions
on this forum. Please do not be intimidated into not asking questions. The
free flow of ideas is the beauty of the internet. All I ask is that they be
relevant to the lab, within NDA, of course.
I used to be a school teacher, and I know that the best way to take a
learning, quality student and turn him to a non-learning, low quality
student is to tell him that any of his questions are not worthy of answers.
Brad is a very bright individual, judging by his postings, and I have a lot
of respect for him but I disagree with the point he made about the
documentation CD. The answer is NOT right on the Doc CD. If I was a
doctor, I could not treat all of my patients by simply looking up the answer
in a PDR. The Doc CD is good but sometimes it leaves a lot to be desired.
If you want to be lazy about it, be lazy. I may point you to the CD first
but at least you've gotten both of us thinking about that subject again, or
for the first time, and that is a good thing.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Earl Aboytes
Senior Technical Conultant
GTE Managed Solutions
805-381-8817
earl.aboytes@telops.gte.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Horton, Jeff
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 7:49 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: GROUPSTUDY - ETHICS
If we don't ask and answer questions related to the CCIE lab then what is
the purpose of this forum-ccielab@groupstudy.com?
-----Original Message-----
From: Hedlund, Brad [mailto:BHedlund@realapps.com]
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 10:16 AM
To: 'carl commander'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: GROUPSTUDY - ETHICS
Absolutely on the mark Carl!
Let me also say that people recently have been asking .... how shall I say
this ... LAZY questions.
"How do I configure this" "How do I configure that" kind of questions.
LOOK IT UP YOURSELF! The answer is right on the Doc CD!
Becoming a CCIE isnt only about passing a 2-day Lab exam. Its the struggle
of getting there that makes you a CCIE!
SUCCESS IS A JOURNEY, NOT A DESTINATION
Brad Hedlund
CCIE #5530
REAL Solutions (CENTRON)
Elcamino Resources Ltd.
Eden Prairie, MN.
(952) 829-2877
>
> Hi All,
>
> I dont want this to come out the wrong way but I would like
> to make a point
> about this forum without upsetting anyone or causing bad feeling.
> I have been reading this forum for a number of months and I
> am seeing more
> and more questions being asked which to my knowledge have been lifted
> directly from the the lab. I have taken the lab 3 times, each
> time reaching
> troubleshooting but narrowly failing. From this I have seen a
> wide range of
> questions for different scenario's and as I I have had all my
> attempts this
> year all the questions are very relevant as these labs will
> still be active
> in the test cirriculum.
> As I was saying there seems to be people posting questions at
> least 5-6 a
> week either the same or different questions that appear in
> labs. This is not
> a coincidence.
> I beleive by doing this the CCIE will be de-valued as people
> are taking
> shortcuts and not going out and reading the cisco literature
> and learning
> themselves the answers and idosynacries of certain protocols.
> Like I say I am not attempting to annoy people I would just
> like to say that
> when I earn my CCIE I will have earned it fairly.
>
> Thanks
>
> Carl.
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