From: Scott Morris (smorris@xxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri May 26 2000 - 13:39:49 GMT-3
Oh yeah... The other point was the DocCD (I'm zoning!)... The "answers"
aren't on the DocCD, but most information that you need to find the answer
ARE on the CD. The exception typically is brand new things, but they won't
be covered in the CCIE lab anyway.
Some people may not have up to date Documentation CD's, and THAT may cause
difficulties. The web is always current, and the current DocCD can be
purchased for like $32 (if I remember right) within Cisco's Marketplace.
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Earl Aboytes
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 12:18 PM
To: Horton, Jeff; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: GROUPSTUDY - ETHICS
I agree with the prior postings except that I don't want anyone to feel
intimidated by them. No question is a lazy question. I think it is
important that everyone here feel unintimidated to ask any questions that
they want. I am very advanced in my IP studies but not very advanced in my
multicast studies and I am struggling. What better way to get me at a level
where I can start understanding what I am reading by ask some lazy questions
on this forum. Please do not be intimidated into not asking questions. The
free flow of ideas is the beauty of the internet. All I ask is that they be
relevant to the lab, within NDA, of course.
I used to be a school teacher, and I know that the best way to take a
learning, quality student and turn him to a non-learning, low quality
student is to tell him that any of his questions are not worthy of answers.
Brad is a very bright individual, judging by his postings, and I have a lot
of respect for him but I disagree with the point he made about the
documentation CD. The answer is NOT right on the Doc CD. If I was a
doctor, I could not treat all of my patients by simply looking up the answer
in a PDR. The Doc CD is good but sometimes it leaves a lot to be desired.
If you want to be lazy about it, be lazy. I may point you to the CD first
but at least you've gotten both of us thinking about that subject again, or
for the first time, and that is a good thing.
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Earl Aboytes
Senior Technical Conultant
GTE Managed Solutions
805-381-8817
earl.aboytes@telops.gte.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
Horton, Jeff
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 7:49 AM
To: ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: GROUPSTUDY - ETHICS
If we don't ask and answer questions related to the CCIE lab then what is
the purpose of this forum-ccielab@groupstudy.com?
-----Original Message-----
From: Hedlund, Brad [mailto:BHedlund@realapps.com]
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 10:16 AM
To: 'carl commander'; ccielab@groupstudy.com
Subject: RE: GROUPSTUDY - ETHICS
Absolutely on the mark Carl!
Let me also say that people recently have been asking .... how shall I say
this ... LAZY questions.
"How do I configure this" "How do I configure that" kind of questions.
LOOK IT UP YOURSELF! The answer is right on the Doc CD!
Becoming a CCIE isnt only about passing a 2-day Lab exam. Its the struggle
of getting there that makes you a CCIE!
SUCCESS IS A JOURNEY, NOT A DESTINATION
Brad Hedlund
CCIE #5530
REAL Solutions (CENTRON)
Elcamino Resources Ltd.
Eden Prairie, MN.
(952) 829-2877
>
> Hi All,
>
> I dont want this to come out the wrong way but I would like
> to make a point
> about this forum without upsetting anyone or causing bad feeling.
> I have been reading this forum for a number of months and I
> am seeing more
> and more questions being asked which to my knowledge have been lifted
> directly from the the lab. I have taken the lab 3 times, each
> time reaching
> troubleshooting but narrowly failing. From this I have seen a
> wide range of
> questions for different scenario's and as I I have had all my
> attempts this
> year all the questions are very relevant as these labs will
> still be active
> in the test cirriculum.
> As I was saying there seems to be people posting questions at
> least 5-6 a
> week either the same or different questions that appear in
> labs. This is not
> a coincidence.
> I beleive by doing this the CCIE will be de-valued as people
> are taking
> shortcuts and not going out and reading the cisco literature
> and learning
> themselves the answers and idosynacries of certain protocols.
> Like I say I am not attempting to annoy people I would just
> like to say that
> when I earn my CCIE I will have earned it fairly.
>
> Thanks
>
> Carl.
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