From: Jay Hennigan (jay@xxxxxxxx)
Date: Fri May 26 2000 - 13:37:17 GMT-3
On Fri, 26 May 2000, John Conzone wrote:
> If I guy gets his CCIE and doesn't know his stuff, he's gonna get
> flamed on the job.
First, I think that this is very unlikely to happen. I feel that I
"know my stuff" and have been working hands-on with Cisco gear for
four years. I have failed the lab twice. I know many others in the
same boat. Knowing your stuff is part of it. Thinking on your feet,
working under stress, and coming up with "outside the box" solutions
to very strange scenarios you'll never see in real life are other parts.
Second, given enough money a person can take the lab every thirty days
and get a lot better idea of the questions than any other way, without
violating any NDA. If he can memorize enough and retain it for the next
attempt, and the lab hasn't changed all that much, and he has the other
skills needed, then he probably will "know his stuff" by the time he
eventually poasses. Not exactly the approach to CCIE that I would ever
endorse, but it could work.
Third, if the worst happens and people get CCIE without knowing their
stuff it's not just the individual that gets "flamed". This would give
Cisco, the CCIE program, and all existing CCIEs a bad name. For a mild
example, look at what's happened to MCSE. Cisco and the CCIE program
folks are, I'm sure, very aware of this and it just isn't likely to
happen with CCIE. To the best of my knowledge it hasn't happened yet
and the CCIE program has been around for a long time.
> When I attain my CCIE, I will have earned it and will be
> confident that I am capable of providing the kind of support and expertise
> that goes with the title. But I don't worry about anyone else who may be
> cheating. Don't have time. They will be no competion for those of us who do
> it right anyway.
Agreed.
> I don't think the CCIE pool will be diluted. Relax, guys. If you know
> your stuff you'll always have a nice paying job regardless, CCIE or no. If
> you don't, well CCIE or no, you'll get found out as a fraud.
Also agreed.
> Most folks on here ask good solid questions that we can all learn from,
> and are doing there best to honestly earn the title of CCIE. If you see
> someone ask a test question, call them on it on lets move on! The only
> person I'm competing with is myself. If someone else gets over, well thats
> his problem because he'll eventually fail.
Ditto.
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