From: Peter A. van Oene (vantech@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Mon Jan 17 2000 - 21:50:43 GMT-3
Allow me to comment real quick on the "no partial credit" item.
This freaked me out when I went in but I did learn one key thing. The
Proctors, who by the way create the lab scenarios, are fair. These people
are sharp and will quickly understand whether you have a grasp on a config
and have made a slight mistake and where you simply have not understood the
root of a problem. If you don't pass, its likely not this policy that has
held you back.
That being said, the test is tough and getting tougher as the material
broadens and believe me, I am thankful everyday that I don't have to go
through the process again :)
Pete
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On 1/15/00 at 1:53 PM Brad Hedlund wrote:
>I think it should be obvious now to all of us that Cisco has made the CCIE
>Lab exam almost (but not entrirely) impossible to pass. I wonder if
CCIE's
>of a few years ago could even pass today's test. It sounds like the real
>killer is the no partial credit policy with questions written with alot of
>uncertainty. And, to add insult to injury, Cisco has announced the price
of
>the Lab Exam will increase to $1250 in the spring.
>
>Be this as it may, lets all be real honest with ourselves. For those of
us
>who will have the courage, determination, patience, and willingness to put
>up with some major BS to keep taking the test over and over until we pass
>are going to LOVE the fact that the test is so hard once we pass. Instead
>of feeling sorrow and anxiety after reading stories like Gary's, you will
>chuckle inside.
>
>For those of us who are trying to pass the test ... Yeah ... it sucks to
be
>us.
>
>The light at the end of the tunnel is further away and more costly to get
>to. But, it is shining brighter.
>
>For now ... Im willing to be a pawn in Cisco's sick little game of
>shattering the hopes, dreams, and bank accounts, of us innocent and
aspiring
>candidates. All for the ammusement of a few pretentious CCIE's, Cisco
execs
>and proctors around the world.
>
>I say to Cisco, "Go Ahead!" Fail me a few times. Take all my money!
Load
>up space alien software on my PC on and laugh all you want. Ha ha ha.
Real
>funny isnt it?! Ha Ha ha.
>
>It wont stop me.
>
>
>-Brad
>
>ps. Allow me to say that not all CCIE's are pretentios. I applaud and
>greatly appreciate the valuble input and advice given from those CCIE's
who
>participate in this list. They certainly dont have to help, but they do.
>And that itself speaks volumes about their character.
>On behalf of every asipring candidate on this list ... Thank You! You are
>setting a good example for the rest of us.
>
>
>
>>
>> The CCIE program is becoming a joke. I don't mean that as
>> saying it is
>> easy, I mean that they are not providing enough information
>> outlining what
>> the rules of a given question are. I think if you go to the
>> proctor and say
>> I can configure this this way or this other way, what is it
>> that you want,
>> you should get a response.
>>
>>
>>
>> AND THE BIGGEST JOKE IS:
>>
>> At RTP they are using the CCIE lab PC's to look for aliens.
>> Yes people, a
>> big professional company like Cisco is running an application
>> on all the
>> test takers PC's that analyze radio telescope signals took
>> for patterns that
>> represent intelligence while people are taking the test. I
>> can see people
>> running this sort of thing at home on their pc's. Mabye on
>> their office
>> machine at work. BUT AT THE CISCO CCIE LAB. This is by far the most
>> amature and unprofessional thing I could ever imagine them doing.
>>
>>
>>
>> >From: "Erik" <emolden@earthlink.net>
>> >Reply-To: "Erik" <emolden@earthlink.net>
>> >To: "Brad Hedlund" <BHedlund@LifeTimeFitness.com>
>> >CC: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>> >Subject: RE: [VPN]
>> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:27:34 -0500
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>> >Actually it was MOST DEFINATELY the test with VPN and did
>> have 8 points,
>> >including routing issues via the tunnel, etc.
>> >
>> >I would suggest filtering and thinking through your comments
>> a little
>> >before
>> >sending out in the future.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Brad Hedlund [mailto:BHedlund@LifeTimeFitness.com]
>> >Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 11:19 PM
>> >To: 'Erik'; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
>> >Subject: RE: [VPN]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >I dont see how you can have 8 points on basic GRE tunnels. ??
>> >People are failing the test more than ever lately and
>> crediting the VPN
>> >stuff for it.
>> >Dont be nieve Erik. Just because you or a friend got a test
>> with with a
>> >basic tunnel doesnt mean that was the test with VPN.
>> >
>> >I say, better be safe than sorry. Know encryption.
>> >
>> >-Brad
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > It is basic tunnel configurations, etc. No encryption.
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
>> > > Mosley, Arthur
>> > > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 10:19 PM
>> > > To: 'Curtis Phillips '; 'zhencai '; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com '
>> > > Subject: RE: [VPN]
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I think it's basic VPDN - (from CMTD course material/Cisco CD).
>> > >
>> > > Art
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Curtis Phillips
>> > > To: zhencai; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>> > > Sent: 1/14/00 9:33 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [VPN]
>> > >
>> > > You raise a good point. I was under th eimpression that all of the
>> > > encryption
>> > > and ipsec was not going to be required.
>> > >
>> > > "zhencai" <zhencai@home.com> wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > I noticed that this topic had been discussed a little in this
>> > > group, but
>> > > I'm
>> > > still kind of confused. I was wondering what I should
>> know for the lab
>> > > test(yeah, I know, everything, but...) Since VPN is quite a
>> > > broad topic,
>> > > I'd
>> > > like to find out what you guys think.
>> > > Thanks a lot.
>> > >
>> > > Zhen Cai
>> > >
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