From: Peter A. van Oene (vantech@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
Date: Mon Jan 17 2000 - 23:39:38 GMT-3
Is it bad when you start responding to your own email? :) I know I talk
to myself too much but this is getting ridiculous.
However, the below says good things but leaves out the more important (read
inspirational) point..
If you happen to fail the lab its likely due to one of the following items.
1. Insufficient preparation
2. Stress related confusion
3. Poor time management (relates to 1)
4. Unluckily and pull a test that touches on your weak points
That being said, you will not fail the test because it is poorly written
and unfairly ambiguous. You will not fail the test because the Proctor
tricked you. You will not fail the test because of one marking scheme or
another. If you prepare well, you'll have a good shot at doing very well
on the test.
I'll leave it there and head for some needed councilling :)
Pete
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On 1/17/00 at 7:50 PM Peter A. van Oene wrote:
>Allow me to comment real quick on the "no partial credit" item.
>
>This freaked me out when I went in but I did learn one key thing. The
>Proctors, who by the way create the lab scenarios, are fair. These people
>are sharp and will quickly understand whether you have a grasp on a config
>and have made a slight mistake and where you simply have not understood
the
>root of a problem. If you don't pass, its likely not this policy that has
>held you back.
>
>That being said, the test is tough and getting tougher as the material
>broadens and believe me, I am thankful everyday that I don't have to go
>through the process again :)
>
>Pete
>
>
>
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>
>On 1/15/00 at 1:53 PM Brad Hedlund wrote:
>
>>I think it should be obvious now to all of us that Cisco has made the
CCIE
>>Lab exam almost (but not entrirely) impossible to pass. I wonder if
>CCIE's
>>of a few years ago could even pass today's test. It sounds like the real
>>killer is the no partial credit policy with questions written with alot
of
>>uncertainty. And, to add insult to injury, Cisco has announced the price
>of
>>the Lab Exam will increase to $1250 in the spring.
>>
>>Be this as it may, lets all be real honest with ourselves. For those of
>us
>>who will have the courage, determination, patience, and willingness to
put
>>up with some major BS to keep taking the test over and over until we pass
>>are going to LOVE the fact that the test is so hard once we pass.
Instead
>>of feeling sorrow and anxiety after reading stories like Gary's, you will
>>chuckle inside.
>>
>>For those of us who are trying to pass the test ... Yeah ... it sucks to
>be
>>us.
>>
>>The light at the end of the tunnel is further away and more costly to get
>>to. But, it is shining brighter.
>>
>>For now ... Im willing to be a pawn in Cisco's sick little game of
>>shattering the hopes, dreams, and bank accounts, of us innocent and
>aspiring
>>candidates. All for the ammusement of a few pretentious CCIE's, Cisco
>execs
>>and proctors around the world.
>>
>>I say to Cisco, "Go Ahead!" Fail me a few times. Take all my money!
>Load
>>up space alien software on my PC on and laugh all you want. Ha ha ha.
>Real
>>funny isnt it?! Ha Ha ha.
>>
>>It wont stop me.
>>
>>
>>-Brad
>>
>>ps. Allow me to say that not all CCIE's are pretentios. I applaud and
>>greatly appreciate the valuble input and advice given from those CCIE's
>who
>>participate in this list. They certainly dont have to help, but they do.
>>And that itself speaks volumes about their character.
>>On behalf of every asipring candidate on this list ... Thank You! You
are
>>setting a good example for the rest of us.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The CCIE program is becoming a joke. I don't mean that as
>>> saying it is
>>> easy, I mean that they are not providing enough information
>>> outlining what
>>> the rules of a given question are. I think if you go to the
>>> proctor and say
>>> I can configure this this way or this other way, what is it
>>> that you want,
>>> you should get a response.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> AND THE BIGGEST JOKE IS:
>>>
>>> At RTP they are using the CCIE lab PC's to look for aliens.
>>> Yes people, a
>>> big professional company like Cisco is running an application
>>> on all the
>>> test takers PC's that analyze radio telescope signals took
>>> for patterns that
>>> represent intelligence while people are taking the test. I
>>> can see people
>>> running this sort of thing at home on their pc's. Mabye on
>>> their office
>>> machine at work. BUT AT THE CISCO CCIE LAB. This is by far the most
>>> amature and unprofessional thing I could ever imagine them doing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >From: "Erik" <emolden@earthlink.net>
>>> >Reply-To: "Erik" <emolden@earthlink.net>
>>> >To: "Brad Hedlund" <BHedlund@LifeTimeFitness.com>
>>> >CC: <ccielab@groupstudy.com>
>>> >Subject: RE: [VPN]
>>> >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:27:34 -0500
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>>> >Actually it was MOST DEFINATELY the test with VPN and did
>>> have 8 points,
>>> >including routing issues via the tunnel, etc.
>>> >
>>> >I would suggest filtering and thinking through your comments
>>> a little
>>> >before
>>> >sending out in the future.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >-----Original Message-----
>>> >From: Brad Hedlund [mailto:BHedlund@LifeTimeFitness.com]
>>> >Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 11:19 PM
>>> >To: 'Erik'; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com'
>>> >Subject: RE: [VPN]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I dont see how you can have 8 points on basic GRE tunnels. ??
>>> >People are failing the test more than ever lately and
>>> crediting the VPN
>>> >stuff for it.
>>> >Dont be nieve Erik. Just because you or a friend got a test
>>> with with a
>>> >basic tunnel doesnt mean that was the test with VPN.
>>> >
>>> >I say, better be safe than sorry. Know encryption.
>>> >
>>> >-Brad
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > It is basic tunnel configurations, etc. No encryption.
>>> > >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: nobody@groupstudy.com
>>> [mailto:nobody@groupstudy.com]On Behalf Of
>>> > > Mosley, Arthur
>>> > > Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 10:19 PM
>>> > > To: 'Curtis Phillips '; 'zhencai '; 'ccielab@groupstudy.com '
>>> > > Subject: RE: [VPN]
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > I think it's basic VPDN - (from CMTD course material/Cisco CD).
>>> > >
>>> > > Art
>>> > >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: Curtis Phillips
>>> > > To: zhencai; ccielab@groupstudy.com
>>> > > Sent: 1/14/00 9:33 PM
>>> > > Subject: Re: [VPN]
>>> > >
>>> > > You raise a good point. I was under th eimpression that all of the
>>> > > encryption
>>> > > and ipsec was not going to be required.
>>> > >
>>> > > "zhencai" <zhencai@home.com> wrote:
>>> > > Hi,
>>> > >
>>> > > I noticed that this topic had been discussed a little in this
>>> > > group, but
>>> > > I'm
>>> > > still kind of confused. I was wondering what I should
>>> know for the lab
>>> > > test(yeah, I know, everything, but...) Since VPN is quite a
>>> > > broad topic,
>>> > > I'd
>>> > > like to find out what you guys think.
>>> > > Thanks a lot.
>>> > >
>>> > > Zhen Cai
>>> > >
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