Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?

lol
I bet he knew at least that much after you were done with him. :D

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> I know one that didn't even know what Ping was............hahahaha
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:18 PM, Haroon <itguy.pro_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> dhcp is pretty tough one.... a lot of them don't know what port PING
>> operates on or difference between Linux/windows traceroute at the protocol
>> level!!!
>>
>> anyway, world moving to SDN is like the world moved from manual cars to
>> automatic and soon to robot cars.... is the mechanic still around or no?
>> Yes. So, don't let stuff like SDN, CDN mess up with your goals... keep up
>> with the technology that's all.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:24 PM, William McCall <william.mccall_at_gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > Can I admit I never bothered remembering DHCP much past the exams?
>> >
>> > Now that y'all gave an easy mnemonic, I guess I better.
>> >
>> > --WM
>> >
>> >
>> > On 07/08/2013 01:00 PM, John Neiberger wrote:
>> >
>> >> I know about Dora the Explorer, so....I'll work for $150k. :-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:50 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I know about DORA, want to pay me $200k ;)
>> >>> On Jul 7, 2013 1:47 PM, "Joseph L. Brunner" <
>> joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> The same 99% of SDN engineers will know little to nothing - like R/S
>> >>>> engineers do now...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Recall (and I posted it here a few times) we asked 50 (FIFTY) CCIE or
>> >>>> senior level engineers for a job interview we conducted for a client
>> to
>> >>>> "describe dhcp" and how it works.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> NONE knew DORA... HOLY COW
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Never expected that... the offering salary was around $200k.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sad. Very sad.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On
>> Behalf Of
>> >>>> Jay McMickle
>> >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2013 12:25 PM
>> >>>> To: marc abel
>> >>>> Cc: sameer khan; Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas; groupstudy
>> >>>> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> LOL. Same here!
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Regards,
>> >>>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec)
>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone 5
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Jul 7, 2013, at 11:20 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ha!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> We will see. Finishing my VCP at the moment. Looking to start either
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> security, data center, or CCDE next year. Still on the fence as to
>> which
>> >>>> way to go.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> -Marc
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Jay McMickle <
>> jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Agreed.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> PS- that brings us to the point- where is your 2nd IE, Marc? ;)
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE #35355 (R/S,Sec) Sent from my iPhone 5
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Jul 7, 2013, at 9:30 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> If you are afraid of change of technology go into accounting. That
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> hasn't
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> changed much in the last 30 years. I started as Novell Netware
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> certified.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Want to guess when the last time I touched IPX/SPX protocol? You
>> >>>>>>> see
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> change, you adapt. Often change in technology brings opportunity
>> >>>>>>> because not everyone knows the new stuff yet.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The CCIE was never an end point anyway. Once you earn the CCIE
>> >>>>>>> route and switch then everyone expects you to be an expert on
>> >>>>>>> wireless, or voice,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> or
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> some other technology as well. Keep learning or wither and die in
>> >>>>>>> this business.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> -Marc
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Jay McMickle
>> >>>>>>> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Being a CCIE and configuring something directly on the device is
>> >>>>>>>> only a small part of the game.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Think of SDN a wireless controller and AP type relationship. You
>> >>>>>>>> don't get upset that you don't have to configure
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> every
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> AP
>> >>>>>>>> (autonomously) do you? You enjoy the centralized configuration.
>> >>>>>>>> Think
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> of
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> this as being a method of making your job easier/centralized, not
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> taking
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> aware
>> >>>>>>>> of your elite certification. Today's form of SDN is still
>> >>>>>>>> premature,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> but I
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> tell you this- all big player manufacturers are moving this way.
>> >>>>>>>> So,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> you
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> can
>> >>>>>>>> switch brands, but you'll run into the same issue with each one.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> If SDN
>> >>>>>>>> moves you away from seeking the CCIE, then maybe your goals are
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> misaligned.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Technology is moving forward, with or without us. Fight it, and
>> >>>>>>>> stand alone.
>> >>>>>>>> Embrace it, and become the best at it.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Continue your studies and stay up
>> >>>>>>>> with technology. That's my advice.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Cheers.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>>>>> Jay McMickle- 2x CCIE
>> >>>>>>>> #35355 (R&S,Sec)
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> ______________________________**__
>>
>> >>>>>>>> From: sameer khan
>> >>>>>>>> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>> To: Mohamed A. Monsef Abbas <m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>> Cc: groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 7, 2013 1:51 AM
>> >>>>>>>> Subject: RE: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese ?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Monsef thanks
>> >>>>>>>> for replying, i really understand that Cisco program manager must
>> >>>>>>>> have thought of something but let me take a flashback and try to
>> >>>>>>>> explain where i am coming from, not too far back Microsoft dumped
>> >>>>>>>> dos, with windows 95. With windows 95 the GUI eliminated the
>> >>>>>>>> need of commands that were used for operation as simple as
>> copying
>> >>>>>>>> a file. The companies are there for one sole purpose that is to
>> >>>>>>>> make money, so they will dump anything in return of more profits.
>> >>>>>>>> To best
>> >>>>>>>> of my understanding humans tend to follow the ease over hardship,
>> >>>>>>>> and follow hardship in sight of return. As for networks, CCIEs
>> are
>> >>>>>>>> there to handle control plane and with SDN that control plane is
>> >>>>>>>> being shifted ( that
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> is
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> unclear to me where at the moment) to something alike GUI or
>> >>>>>>>> scripts or maybe both.
>> >>>>>>>> I as a network engineer must understand the fundamental but will
>> >>>>>>>> it makes sense to understand them to this scary amount of depth
>> >>>>>>>> that CCIE goes into and also any one who i think is preparing for
>> >>>>>>>> the lab exam will have solid foundation of the protocol but when
>> >>>>>>>> proving it in the lab does that
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> make
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> sense
>> >>>>>>>> and worth going for with SDN in perspective. CCIE is a number
>> >>>>>>>> that is
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> a
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> proof
>> >>>>>>>> of your understanding but will that proof be worthy and required
>> >>>>>>>> in the first place ?
>> >>>>>>>> i hope i made sense of my confusion :)
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 7 Jul
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> 2013 08:16:15 +0200
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OT - After SDN, does CCIE still make senese
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> ?
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> From: m.abdelmonsef_at_gmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>> To: khanzadap_at_hotmail.com
>> >>>>>>>>> CC:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I wounder The GUI is created by engineers and you
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> are engineer how can you
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> create the click to do the action and how can you
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> click on this and
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> understand the action happens behind the seen are you a
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> help desk or
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> network engineer ?! again don't think that Cisco program
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> managers are
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> stupid to make the CCIE on of the Cisco programs that became a
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> reference
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> for understanding the technology and one of the Business
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> certificates that
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> make a Cisco market big will be dead due to another
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> product specially the
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> product is summarizing the command line again the GUI
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> wont be as easy like
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> the the command line, that's my own opinion and what I
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> see inside this
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> business while working in this field.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Monsef
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 7:45 AM, sameer khan
>> >>>>>>>>> <khanzadap_at_hotmail.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Hello guys,
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I am in pursuit of my CCIE R&S but now and
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> then i am hearing about sdn or
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> openflow that crushes my motivation and
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> stops me for moving forward, as
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> what i
>> >>>>>>>>>> seem to perceive is that some
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> point in future, i am not saying tomorrow or
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> any
>> >>>>>>>>>> time soon, the
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> commands and protocols that i am trying so hard to learn,
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> understand and
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> memorize will be transformed into mouse clicks and with
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> fancy
>> >>>>>>>>>> GUI that
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> can make all the task easier but at the same time will make
>> CCIE a
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> thing
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> of the past.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I don't know if my assumption are any right but i am really
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> really
>> >>>>>>>> confused
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> should i continue with CCIE R&S or take up programming and
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> VMware stuff (
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> though i already consider myself a decent programmer) ?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I would be grateful if any one can be please help me out clear
>> the
>> >>>>>>>> this confusion.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
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