Re: OT: We need your Voice - Petition to Cisco for CCIE Voice

If Cisco will decide to take the R&S and Re-name / Retire as I see it that
will not make for me any less or more of a CCIE, and in case it would be
exactly the same as the R&S already, I will jump on the bargain of having 2
for 1.

Think about it that way, guys that have done v3 jump to new cert will not
be very big (according to what you say), and if you had v1 or v2 then I
would expect them to make that update any how, CCIE is a professional
certification and not academic that nature of a professional certificate is
that it is always need to be updated according to market and technology
changes.

On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Mohammed Naviwala <monavy_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Shiran
>
> CCIE Voice v3 already had IM&P, UCCX, Unity Connection. what they are
> adding is video. and what in video? adding 9971 IP Phone and a Telepresence
> Movi client which will be pre-configured in cloud and few features like
> SAF/CCD etc.
>
> Transition from v2 to v3 was radical and that was the appropriate time to
> retire the old CCIE Voice. however, as somphol said, you have the right to
> differ on this.
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 9:18 AM, shiran guez <shiranp3_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have to say I am with marc on that, I do not see the point or argument,
>> Cisco is evolving (I would say it is about time) voice to all round voice
>> /
>> video / presents / im ... solution cert.
>> the fact that normally CCIE voice is handling the whole solution, does not
>> mean that he should be granted automatically a new cert, i think it is not
>> fair to the program and will diminish the prestige.
>> also as marc mentioned, if you know already all the material it will be an
>> easy second CCIE (although personally I do not think so), bottom line I
>> think that if that partition will some how work and suddenly all CCIE
>> Voice
>> will be CCIE collaboration, it will do more harm then good to the program.
>>
>> good luck :-)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 7:45 AM, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I really don't understand your issue here. They aren't invalidating the
>> > CCIE voice. If you stay renewed you will remain a CCIE.
>> >
>> > If the is as much overlap as the article says this is your chance to
>> become
>> > a double CCIE without learning a new track.
>> >
>> > When they retired the storage track they didn't give them data center
>> > CCIEs.
>> >
>> > Marc
>> > On Jun 1, 2013 7:56 PM, "Somphol Boonjing" <somphol_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Greetings to all,
>> > >
>> > > First of all, my apology for posting this to the group quite off
>> topic.
>> > > And also for those who has already been aware of the situation in the
>> > past
>> > > few days.
>> > >
>> > > I personally feel that the decision to retire CCIE Voice track while
>> the
>> > > core vertical technology doesn't change will lead to a step in the
>> wrong
>> > > direction to the future of the CCIE certification that most of us in
>> the
>> > > group care for.
>> > >
>> > > With that fact, I feel that if there is no suitable transition path
>> for
>> > the
>> > > CCIE Voice toward CCIE Collaboration apart of retaking the lab, an
>> > > undesirable precedence will be successfully established. And the
>> same
>> > > thing can happen to any other IE track in the future as well. If we
>> > wait
>> > > until that affect your CCIE Track of choice directly, it will be too
>> late
>> > > because by then the precedence will have been established.
>> > >
>> > > William Bell has done a great job in a post that voice his concerned
>> and
>> > > outlined what has happened -
>> > > http://www.ucguerrilla.com/2013/05/ccie-needs-its-voice-back.html
>> > >
>> > > Use your own discretion, but if you think it is in your best interest
>> to
>> > be
>> > > concerned about it, we need your voice too. Let your voice be heard
>> at
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://www.change.org/petitions/cisco-provide-a-reasonable-transition-path-from-ccie-voice-to-ccie-collaboration
>> > >
>> > > Please also help pass the petition link on to ensure that everyone
>> that
>> > > could be affected is well informed over the situation.
>> > >
>> > > Below is a message from John Welsh who created the petition.
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > --Somphol
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > > From: John Welsh <mail_at_change.org>
>> > > Date: Sun, Jun 2, 2013 at 5:04 AM
>> > > Subject: CCIE Voice Transition
>> > > To: somphol_at_gmail.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > It's been just 48 hours since our petition was launched and we already
>> > have
>> > > 540 supporters. I just wanted to say thank you to all of the people
>> that
>> > > have supported this, you guys are awesome! That being said, I want to
>> > > continue adding people to this list to make Cisco hear our voice. If
>> you
>> > > can forward this petition on to anyone else that you know that this
>> will
>> > > effect it would be a huge help! Just some examples to get you
>> > brainstorming
>> > > if you are a CCIE that this would effect:
>> > >
>> > > 1. Your spouse - I'm sure that your spouse supported you an put up
>> with
>> > the
>> > > time away you had to spend from your family the first time that you
>> took
>> > to
>> > > pass the lab. I'd bet they would rather have a reasonable transition
>> plan
>> > > for you to get to Collaboration rather than having to dedicate the
>> time
>> > and
>> > > money to another series of labs.
>> > >
>> > > 2. Your boss - again, time away from work, potentially money is going
>> to
>> > > effect them.
>> > >
>> > > 3. If you work for a partner: account managers, engineering managers,
>> > > partner ownership and other engineers in your company: There's a time
>> and
>> > > money thing involved here too, there is also the perception for your
>> > > customers that you have an obsolete certification. Additionally, while
>> > > Cisco has said nothing to this extent yet, my firm belief is that if
>> you
>> > > are a Master UC partner then in the long term it will be required to
>> > have a
>> > > Collaboration IE on staff instead of a Voice IE. This hasn't been
>> > announced
>> > > yet, but I can definitely see this potentially being the long term
>> path,
>> > > that means either extra headcount or extra expense to upgrade the
>> Voice
>> > IEs
>> > > on staff.
>> > >
>> > > Again, thank you so much for supporting this petition, let's make
>> > ourselves
>> > > heard!
>> > >
>> > > John Welsh
>> > > CCIE Voice #20125
>> > >
>> > > This message was sent by John Welsh using the Change.org system. You
>> > > received this email because you signed a petition started by John
>> Welsh
>> > on
>> > > Change.org: "Cisco: Provide a reasonable transition path from CCIE
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>> > to
>> > > CCIE Collaboration." Change.org does not endorse contents of this
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>> > >
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>> > >
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