Re: Locklizard

Very nice, and good to know! My apologies as I have not contacted sales to ask.

(I'll be over here in the corner....let me know when I can get out of time out...)

Regards,
Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 11, 2013, at 11:16 AM, Brian Dennis <bdennis_at_ine.com> wrote:

> Jay,
> You have to pay $3000+ for a "reseat" in an INE bootcamp? Really? Here
> is what our sales team will tell you:
>
>> Bootcamp reseats (all tracks) are free for the class itself if they have
>> their own racks, if they require our rack rentals then there is a rack
>> rental fee required:
>> B7 $500 for a 1 week class.
>> B7 $1000 for a 2 week class.
>
>> CCIE R&S bootcamp reseats at our Seattle, WA location are completely
>> free. Includes INE rack access.
>> Note that the $500 a week for the rack is cheaper than renting a rack
>> directly with us.
>
> Also as far the "periodic special-maybe" basis goes we've had on average 3
> reseats per bootcamp over the past 12 months.
>
> Lastly if someone just quotes an old blog post of mine they get the rack
> rental fee waived for all locations ;-)
>
> http://blog.ine.com/2012/03/23/ines-rs-ccie-bootcamp-update-new-racks-new-s
> tructure-reseats-and-scholarships-for-2012/
>
>
>
> --
> Brian Dennis, CCIEx5 #2210 (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/SP/Voice)
> bdennis_at_ine.com
>
> INE, Inc.
> http://www.INE.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/11/13 6:42 AM, "Jay McMickle" <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I love this banter!
>>
>> You are arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their
>> investment?
>>
>> If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their workbooks
>> on bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe I read one of them
>> make a joke about this last time this came up in fact!
>>
>> I mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that puts hard
>> work into his teaching and materials, just as the Brian's do. Both
>> material is excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his bootcamps
>> for free.
>>
>> The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works well for
>> them.
>>
>> You're upset about the security restraints placed on Narbik's $350
>> workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake an INE boot
>> camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes on a regular basis,
>> but might have a periodic special-maybe). Hmm. I think I see the point
>> here- you want the longer term workbook for free.
>>
>> Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10" tablet to
>> read the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second 24" $150 monitor,
>> perhaps?
>>
>> Happy labbing- cheers!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera <david.rothera_at_gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You seem to be misunderstanding my stance on this. At no time do I
>>> condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have paid for in full every single of
>>> training material that I used.
>>>
>>> What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be pirated
>>> no matter which way you go about it and I feel that the approach that
>>> INE have of simply not using DRM in the first place is the correct one,
>>> it means I can sign into my members page, download the PDF and use it
>>> however I choose (Android, iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited in
>>> how many devices or in the PDF reader I must use.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> David Rothera
>>> CCIE #38338
>>> david.rothera_at_gmail.com
>>> M: 07584060207
>>> W: networkbroadcast.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, 11 April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
>>>
>>>> I like how the first guy to reply is the Co-founder of the most
>>>> pirated IE Workbooks around!
>>>>
>>>> What one person receives without working for, another person must work
>>>> for without receiving.
>>>>
>>>> David, let me know when you can photograph a wedding, I'd like to
>>>> commission you for free. I got a few gigs you can do here in the
>>>> States. If you don't mind flying over here and working for free... :)
>>>>
>>>> -JB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian
>>>> <shane_at_shanekillian.net (mailto:shane_at_shanekillian.net)> wrote:
>>>>> My experience is this -
>>>>>
>>>>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for me
>>>>> its
>>>>> easier to use my INE products instead of messing about with Locklizard
>>>>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
>>>>> This is something that you remember as a customer (this was my first
>>>>> experience with LockLizard) and when you are a vendor, its important
>>>>> to
>>>>> remember that reputation and experiences are **everything**.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think that "Vendor X" (without DRM) is well aware that material
>>>>> can be
>>>>> found online and shared but I would guess that there approach is to
>>>>> make a
>>>>> product so good that you can't **not** buy it.
>>>>> This is an intelligent move. I think at the end of the day, the
>>>>> people that
>>>>> were going to buy the material will buy the material and the people
>>>>> that
>>>>> weren't going to - won't.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would be interested to see the contribution of time and effort
>>>>> invested
>>>>> in DRM being used to create, improve and deliver products more
>>>>> efficiently.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
>>>>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com (mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com)>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have to disagree David. And I'll give you a level headed
>>>>>> explanation...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual property
>>>>>> copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is built on breaking the
>>>>>> rules...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had better be
>>>>>> playing for
>>>>>> "the right side."
>>>>>> In NYC, you have FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw last week
>>>>>> when
>>>>>> they grabbed a few more democrat NYS senators in Queens :) Aha loved
>>>>>> to say
>>>>>> that... good riddens...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit CD's & DVD's - you have a green light
>>>>>> to do
>>>>>> so.
>>>>>> In NYC if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get like a 17
>>>>>> year
>>>>>> jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> American culture values intellectual property. The time, resources
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> materials the entrepreneur invested into his product, business or
>>>>>> service
>>>>>> deserves a system where his investment is protected. For the same
>>>>>> reason a
>>>>>> Military general can't seize your home to build an Olympic stadium
>>>>>> without
>>>>>> due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter without the fear of
>>>>>> doing
>>>>>> hard jail time. In America, if you take something that doesn't
>>>>>> belong to
>>>>>> you there are harsh consequences...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the guy quacking at the end
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> bar, many CCIE candidates happen to be from counties where copyright
>>>>>> enforcement has a pretty piss poor history.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his product away for free because
>>>>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply with DRM?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are encrypted. If you broke
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> encryption to clone or copy the DVD that's on you. Keep doing it and
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> what happens when the lawyers of Universal and Fox News Subpoena
>>>>>> your Fios
>>>>>> IP. Got $500,000 in legal fees handy against a $500,000 settlement.
>>>>>> Take
>>>>>> your pick...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his time and hard work
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> improve his family's quality of life, put his grandkids through
>>>>>> college
>>>>>> (he's like 97, right?), help him pay his taxes, fix his teeth, keep
>>>>>> new
>>>>>> fresh Michy's on his car so he doesn't have an accident, buy his
>>>>>> health
>>>>>> insurance so he can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab courses...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you are not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your newly
>>>>>> minted
>>>>>> CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me the cash???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Joe Brunner
>>>>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4" Dominican hottie on
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> arm
>>>>>> 1 Borgata Way
>>>>>> Atlantic City, NJ 08401
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com (mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com)
>>>>>> [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>>>>>> David Rothera
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
>>>>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Locklizard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only people you are
>>>>>> hurting are
>>>>>> your customers and I hate to say it Narbik but the fact that you use
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> crap is why I would never consider your products.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People will always find a way to pirate things and at the end of the
>>>>>> day
>>>>>> as I have already said the only people that get hurt by this are
>>>>>> your real
>>>>>> customers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Rothera
>>>>>> CCIE #38338
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
>>>>>> (mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com)> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now you can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc etc
>>>>>>> ......
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> *Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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>>>>>>> <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>>>>>> Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>>>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>>>>>> A Cisco Learning Partner
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