Re: Locklizard

Fair points by everyone and I am not discounting Narbik's materials,
effort, or delivery... I just have not been impressed with locklizard. On a
positive note, I am glad that locklizard now comes in a few more colors and
glad everyones' examples include Audis.

Regards,
Marc Edwards
CCIE #38259

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 9:44 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Guys thanks for all the opinions and kind words. I am just happy that
> you guys can load all those labs and soon VoDs on your iPad, and other
> devices..
>
> I have another good news:
>
> We realized that Security racks are very expensive so we decided to give
> our students that attend our security boot camps two weeks of free racks
> after the boot camp is over. I hope this helps you guys.
>
> More good news later.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Prince Emirate
<begeieia_at_googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>> Hello Geeks,
>>
>> Protecting the Product Integrity is really the best way.. :) . even
>> though not all humans are honest. but as a customer, looking are such
>> security will definitely put more inch in buying your product,
>>
>> however, the word of concern relates to the content of product and how
>> helpful it is... being once a student of Narbik, I believe the
>> resource content in his product is what most folks out there are eager to
>> get.
>>
>>
>>
>> Abdullahi Bege,
>> Snr. Network Engineer.
>> CCIE#37630 ( Routing and Switching)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Jay McMickle
<jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>wrote:
>>
>>> What company do you work for, and what's your home address? See, leave
>>> it
>>> vulnerable and they will come after it.... ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jay McMickle- 3x
>>> CCNP (R&S,Security,Design), CCIE #35355 (R&S)
>>> Support me in the MS150 Ride to
>>> Austin!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: JB Poplawski
>>> <jb.poplawski_at_gmail.com>
>>> To: Manouchehr Omari <manouchehr1979_at_gmail.com>
>>> Cc:
>>> marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com>; Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com
>>> >;
>>> David Rothera <david.rothera_at_gmail.com>; Shane Killian
>>> <shane_at_shanekillian.net>; Joseph L. Brunner <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com>;
>>> Narbik
>>> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>; CCIE Groupstudy <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:25 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Locklizard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't
>>> lock my car, because people can break into it. All my firewalls are
>>> permit ip
>>> any any... :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Manouchehr Omari
>>> <manouchehr1979_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >No one in better mind state won't
>>> just let their product be available on internet for free. I don't see
>>> anything
>>> wrong for protecting your treasure. for a guy like me who is living in
>>> Afghanistan and internet is very very limited haven't faced any problem
>>> with
>>> his workbooks/DRM..all those. I attempted his bootcamp and if you could
>>> see
>>> the effort he was putting in the class. he recommended every students to
>>> re-take the bootcamp before attempting the lab and that for FREE, who
>>> would
>>> do that?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM, marc edwards
>>> <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >Personally, I dis-like locklizard. Knowing
>>> that is the delivery
>>> >>mechanism dissuades me from using a product. Piracy is
>>> un-fortunate but
>>> >>copy right laws are ridiculous because they aren't
>>> internationally
>>> >>enforced. While it helps protect "Assets" in US, it does
>>> nothing to
>>> >>disparage what happens in Asia (btw not just China!) and that
>>> puts the
>>> >>American consumer at a dis advantage to the rest of the world. That
>>> is why
>>> >>I see it as BS from a consumer standpoint.
>>> >>
>>> >>I commend anyone who
>>> can come up with a model that attracts and retains
>>> >>customer base w/open
>>> sales tactic. Keep material fresh and it is always
>>> >>worth getting the latest
>>> updates despite what is available in the kazbahh.
>>> >>Also, the bootlegged stuff
>>> is used to create warm leads and increase future
>>> >>sales.
>>> >>
>>> >>What I noticed
>>> about such retorts. They typically come after the shameless
>>> >>plug which I
>>> believe is against 'policy' for using the list to promote or
>>> >>advertise.
>>> >>
>>> >>We have a few in the middle here and hoping it doesn't become another
>>> side
>>> >>war. Let's step in to diffuse instead of creating a bench clearing!
>>> Can't
>>> >>we all just be friends?
>>> >>
>>> >>Regards,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>Marc Edwards
>>> >>CCIE
>>> #38259
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Jay McMickle
>>> <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com>wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> I love this banter!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You are
>>> arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their
>>> >>> investment?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their
>>> workbooks on
>>> >>> bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe I read one
>>> of them make a
>>> >>> joke about this last time this came up in fact!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I
>>> mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that puts hard
>>> >>>
>>> work into his teaching and materials, just as the Brian's do. Both
>>> material
>>> >>> is excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his bootcamps for
>>> free.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works well
>>> for
>>> >>> them.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> You're upset about the security restraints placed on
>>> Narbik's $350
>>> >>> workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake
>>> an INE boot
>>> >>> camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes on a
>>> regular basis, but
>>> >>> might have a periodic special-maybe). Hmm. I think I
>>> see the point here-
>>> >>> you want the longer term workbook for free.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10" tablet to
>>> read
>>> >>>
>>> the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second 24" $150 monitor, perhaps?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Happy labbing- cheers!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Regards,
>>> >>> Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
>>> >>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera
>>> <david.rothera_at_gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > You seem to be misunderstanding
>>> my stance on this. At no time do I
>>> >>> condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have
>>> paid for in full every single of
>>> >>> training material that I used.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>>
>>> > What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be pirated
>>> no
>>> >>>
>>> matter which way you go about it and I feel that the approach that INE
>>> have
>>> >>> of simply not using DRM in the first place is the correct one, it
>>> means I
>>> >>> can sign into my members page, download the PDF and use it however I
>>> choose
>>> >>> (Android, iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited in how many
>>> devices or in
>>> >>> the PDF reader I must use.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > --
>>> >>> >
>>> David Rothera
>>> >>> > CCIE #38338
>>> >>> > david.rothera_at_gmail.com
>>> >>> > M:
>>> 07584060207
>>> >>> > W: networkbroadcast.co.uk
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > On Thursday, 11
>>> April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >> I like how the first guy
>>> to reply is the Co-founder of the most pirated
>>> >>> IE Workbooks around!
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> What one person receives without working for, another person must
>>> work
>>> >>> for without receiving.
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> David, let me know when you can
>>> photograph a wedding, I'd like to
>>> >>> commission you for free. I got a few
>>> gigs you can do here in the States.
>>> >>> If you don't mind flying over here
>>> and working for free... :)
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> -JB
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> On Thu, Apr
>>> 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian <shane_at_shanekillian.net(mailto:
>>> >>>
>>> shane_at_shanekillian.net)> wrote:
>>> >>> >>> My experience is this -
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for me
>>> its
>>> >>> >>> easier to use my INE products instead of messing about with
>>> Locklizard
>>> >>> >>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
>>> >>> >>> This is something that
>>> you remember as a customer (this was my first
>>> >>> >>> experience with
>>> LockLizard) and when you are a vendor, its important to
>>> >>> >>> remember that
>>> reputation and experiences are **everything**.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> I think that
>>> "Vendor X" (without DRM) is well aware that material
>>> >>> can be
>>> >>> >>>
>>> found online and shared but I would guess that there approach is to
>>> >>> make a
>>> >>> >>> product so good that you can't **not** buy it.
>>> >>> >>> This is an
>>> intelligent move. I think at the end of the day, the people
>>> >>> that
>>> >>> >>>
>>> were going to buy the material will buy the material and the people
>>> >>> that
>>> >>> >>> weren't going to - won't.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> I would be interested to see
>>> the contribution of time and effort
>>> >>> invested
>>> >>> >>> in DRM being used to
>>> create, improve and deliver products more
>>> >>> efficiently.
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L.
>>> Brunner
>>> >>> >>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com
>>> (mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com)>wrote:
>>> >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>>> I have to disagree
>>> David. And I'll give you a level headed
>>> >>> explanation...
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual property
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is built on breaking the
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> rules...
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had
>>> better be playing
>>> >>> for
>>> >>> >>>> "the right side."
>>> >>> >>>> In NYC, you have
>>> FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw last week
>>> >>> when
>>> >>> >>>> they
>>> grabbed a few more democrat NYS senators in Queens :) Aha loved
>>> >>> to say
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> that... good riddens...
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit
>>> CD's & DVD's - you have a green light
>>> >>> to do
>>> >>> >>>> so.
>>> >>> >>>> In NYC
>>> if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get like a 17
>>> >>> year
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> American culture
>>> values intellectual property. The time, resources and
>>> >>> >>>> materials the
>>> entrepreneur invested into his product, business or
>>> >>> service
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> deserves a system where his investment is protected. For the same
>>> >>> reason a
>>> >>> >>>> Military general can't seize your home to build an Olympic
>>> stadium
>>> >>> without
>>> >>> >>>> due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter without
>>> the fear of
>>> >>> doing
>>> >>> >>>> hard jail time. In America, if you take
>>> something that doesn't belong
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> >>>> you there are harsh
>>> consequences...
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the
>>> guy quacking at the end
>>> >>> of the
>>> >>> >>>> bar, many CCIE candidates happen
>>> to be from counties where copyright
>>> >>> >>>> enforcement has a pretty piss
>>> poor history.
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his
>>> product away for free because
>>> >>> >>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply
>>> with DRM?
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are
>>> encrypted. If you broke the
>>> >>> >>>> encryption to clone or copy the DVD
>>> that's on you. Keep doing it and
>>> >>> see
>>> >>> >>>> what happens when the
>>> lawyers of Universal and Fox News Subpoena your
>>> >>> Fios
>>> >>> >>>> IP. Got
>>> $500,000 in legal fees handy against a $500,000 settlement.
>>> >>> Take
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> your pick...
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his
>>> time and hard work
>>> >>> will
>>> >>> >>>> improve his family's quality of life, put
>>> his grandkids through
>>> >>> college
>>> >>> >>>> (he's like 97, right?), help him
>>> pay his taxes, fix his teeth, keep
>>> >>> new
>>> >>> >>>> fresh Michy's on his car
>>> so he doesn't have an accident, buy his
>>> >>> health
>>> >>> >>>> insurance so he
>>> can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab courses...
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> If you are
>>> not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your newly
>>> >>> minted
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me the cash???
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> Joe Brunner
>>> >>> >>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4"
>>> Dominican hottie on
>>> >>> his
>>> >>> >>>> arm
>>> >>> >>>> 1 Borgata Way
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> Atlantic City, NJ 08401
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> Thanks!
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> >>> >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com
>>> (mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com) [mailto:
>>> >>> nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf
>>> Of
>>> >>> >>>> David Rothera
>>> >>> >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>>> >>> >>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
>>> >>> >>>> Subject: Re:
>>> Locklizard
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only
>>> people you are
>>> >>> hurting are
>>> >>> >>>> your customers and I hate to say it
>>> Narbik but the fact that you use
>>> >>> this
>>> >>> >>>> crap is why I would never
>>> consider your products.
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> People will always find a way to
>>> pirate things and at the end of the
>>> >>> day
>>> >>> >>>> as I have already said
>>> the only people that get hurt by this are your
>>> >>> real
>>> >>> >>>> customers.
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> Regards
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> David Rothera
>>> >>> >>>> CCIE #38338
>>> >>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>> >>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians
>>> <narbikk_at_gmail.com(mailto:
>>> >>> narbikk_at_gmail.com)> wrote:
>>> >>> >>>>
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>> Now you
>>> can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc etc
>>> >>> ......
>>> >>> >>>>>
>>> >>> >>>>> --
>>> >>> >>>>> *Narbik Kocharians
>>> >>> >>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410
>>> (R&S, SP, Security)
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