Re: Locklizard

I don't lock my car, because people can break into it. All my firewalls
are permit ip any any... :)

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:20 AM, Manouchehr Omari
<manouchehr1979_at_gmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> No one in better mind state won't just let their product be available on
> internet for free. I don't see anything wrong for protecting your treasure.
> for a guy like me who is living in Afghanistan and internet is very very
> limited haven't faced any problem with his workbooks/DRM..all those. I
> attempted his bootcamp and if you could see the effort he was putting in
> the class. he recommended every students to re-take the bootcamp before
> attempting the lab and that for FREE, who would do that?
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Personally, I dis-like locklizard. Knowing that is the delivery
>> mechanism dissuades me from using a product. Piracy is un-fortunate but
>> copy right laws are ridiculous because they aren't internationally
>> enforced. While it helps protect "Assets" in US, it does nothing to
>> disparage what happens in Asia (btw not just China!) and that puts the
>> American consumer at a dis advantage to the rest of the world. That is why
>> I see it as BS from a consumer standpoint.
>>
>> I commend anyone who can come up with a model that attracts and retains
>> customer base w/open sales tactic. Keep material fresh and it is always
>> worth getting the latest updates despite what is available in the kazbahh.
>> Also, the bootlegged stuff is used to create warm leads and increase
>> future
>> sales.
>>
>> What I noticed about such retorts. They typically come after the shameless
>> plug which I believe is against 'policy' for using the list to promote or
>> advertise.
>>
>> We have a few in the middle here and hoping it doesn't become another side
>> war. Let's step in to diffuse instead of creating a bench clearing! Can't
>> we all just be friends?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Marc Edwards
>> CCIE #38259
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > I love this banter!
>> >
>> > You are arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their
>> > investment?
>> >
>> > If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their workbooks
>> on
>> > bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe I read one of them
>> make a
>> > joke about this last time this came up in fact!
>> >
>> > I mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that puts hard
>> > work into his teaching and materials, just as the Brian's do. Both
>> material
>> > is excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his bootcamps for free.
>> >
>> > The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works well for
>> > them.
>> >
>> > You're upset about the security restraints placed on Narbik's $350
>> > workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake an INE boot
>> > camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes on a regular basis,
>> but
>> > might have a periodic special-maybe). Hmm. I think I see the point here-
>> > you want the longer term workbook for free.
>> >
>> > Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10" tablet to
>> read
>> > the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second 24" $150 monitor,
>> perhaps?
>> >
>> > Happy labbing- cheers!
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> > On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera <david.rothera_at_gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > You seem to be misunderstanding my stance on this. At no time do I
>> > condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have paid for in full every single of
>> > training material that I used.
>> > >
>> > > What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be pirated
>> no
>> > matter which way you go about it and I feel that the approach that INE
>> have
>> > of simply not using DRM in the first place is the correct one, it means
>> I
>> > can sign into my members page, download the PDF and use it however I
>> choose
>> > (Android, iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited in how many devices
>> or in
>> > the PDF reader I must use.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > David Rothera
>> > > CCIE #38338
>> > > david.rothera_at_gmail.com
>> > > M: 07584060207
>> > > W: networkbroadcast.co.uk
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thursday, 11 April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I like how the first guy to reply is the Co-founder of the most
>> pirated
>> > IE Workbooks around!
>> > >>
>> > >> What one person receives without working for, another person must
>> work
>> > for without receiving.
>> > >>
>> > >> David, let me know when you can photograph a wedding, I'd like to
>> > commission you for free. I got a few gigs you can do here in the
>> States.
>> > If you don't mind flying over here and working for free... :)
>> > >>
>> > >> -JB
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian <
>> shane_at_shanekillian.net(mailto:
>> > shane_at_shanekillian.net)> wrote:
>> > >>> My experience is this -
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for me
>> its
>> > >>> easier to use my INE products instead of messing about with
>> Locklizard
>> > >>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
>> > >>> This is something that you remember as a customer (this was my first
>> > >>> experience with LockLizard) and when you are a vendor, its
>> important to
>> > >>> remember that reputation and experiences are **everything**.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I think that "Vendor X" (without DRM) is well aware that material
>> > can be
>> > >>> found online and shared but I would guess that there approach is to
>> > make a
>> > >>> product so good that you can't **not** buy it.
>> > >>> This is an intelligent move. I think at the end of the day, the
>> people
>> > that
>> > >>> were going to buy the material will buy the material and the people
>> > that
>> > >>> weren't going to - won't.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I would be interested to see the contribution of time and effort
>> > invested
>> > >>> in DRM being used to create, improve and deliver products more
>> > efficiently.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
>> > >>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com (mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com)>wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>>> I have to disagree David. And I'll give you a level headed
>> > explanation...
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual property
>> > >>>> copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is built on breaking
>> the
>> > >>>> rules...
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had better be
>> playing
>> > for
>> > >>>> "the right side."
>> > >>>> In NYC, you have FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw last week
>> > when
>> > >>>> they grabbed a few more democrat NYS senators in Queens :) Aha
>> loved
>> > to say
>> > >>>> that... good riddens...
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit CD's & DVD's - you have a green light
>> > to do
>> > >>>> so.
>> > >>>> In NYC if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get like a
>> 17
>> > year
>> > >>>> jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> American culture values intellectual property. The time, resources
>> and
>> > >>>> materials the entrepreneur invested into his product, business or
>> > service
>> > >>>> deserves a system where his investment is protected. For the same
>> > reason a
>> > >>>> Military general can't seize your home to build an Olympic stadium
>> > without
>> > >>>> due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter without the fear of
>> > doing
>> > >>>> hard jail time. In America, if you take something that doesn't
>> belong
>> > to
>> > >>>> you there are harsh consequences...
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the guy quacking at the end
>> > of the
>> > >>>> bar, many CCIE candidates happen to be from counties where
>> copyright
>> > >>>> enforcement has a pretty piss poor history.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his product away for free
>> because
>> > >>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply with DRM?
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are encrypted. If you broke
>> the
>> > >>>> encryption to clone or copy the DVD that's on you. Keep doing it
>> and
>> > see
>> > >>>> what happens when the lawyers of Universal and Fox News Subpoena
>> your
>> > Fios
>> > >>>> IP. Got $500,000 in legal fees handy against a $500,000 settlement.
>> > Take
>> > >>>> your pick...
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his time and hard work
>> > will
>> > >>>> improve his family's quality of life, put his grandkids through
>> > college
>> > >>>> (he's like 97, right?), help him pay his taxes, fix his teeth, keep
>> > new
>> > >>>> fresh Michy's on his car so he doesn't have an accident, buy his
>> > health
>> > >>>> insurance so he can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab courses...
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> If you are not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your newly
>> > minted
>> > >>>> CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me the cash???
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Joe Brunner
>> > >>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4" Dominican hottie
>> on
>> > his
>> > >>>> arm
>> > >>>> 1 Borgata Way
>> > >>>> Atlantic City, NJ 08401
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Thanks!
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com (mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com)
>> [mailto:
>> > nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
>> > >>>> David Rothera
>> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
>> > >>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
>> > >>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
>> > >>>> Subject: Re: Locklizard
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only people you are
>> > hurting are
>> > >>>> your customers and I hate to say it Narbik but the fact that you
>> use
>> > this
>> > >>>> crap is why I would never consider your products.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> People will always find a way to pirate things and at the end of
>> the
>> > day
>> > >>>> as I have already said the only people that get hurt by this are
>> your
>> > real
>> > >>>> customers.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Regards
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> David Rothera
>> > >>>> CCIE #38338
>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > >>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
>> (mailto:
>> > narbikk_at_gmail.com)> wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> Now you can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc etc
>> > ......
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> --
>> > >>>>> *Narbik Kocharians
>> > >>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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