Re: Locklizard

No one in better mind state won't just let their product be available on
internet for free. I don't see anything wrong for protecting your treasure.
for a guy like me who is living in Afghanistan and internet is very very
limited haven't faced any problem with his workbooks/DRM..all those. I
attempted his bootcamp and if you could see the effort he was putting in
the class. he recommended every students to re-take the bootcamp before
attempting the lab and that for FREE, who would do that?

On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 3:58 PM, marc edwards <renorider_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Personally, I dis-like locklizard. Knowing that is the delivery
> mechanism dissuades me from using a product. Piracy is un-fortunate but
> copy right laws are ridiculous because they aren't internationally
> enforced. While it helps protect "Assets" in US, it does nothing to
> disparage what happens in Asia (btw not just China!) and that puts the
> American consumer at a dis advantage to the rest of the world. That is why
> I see it as BS from a consumer standpoint.
>
> I commend anyone who can come up with a model that attracts and retains
> customer base w/open sales tactic. Keep material fresh and it is always
> worth getting the latest updates despite what is available in the kazbahh.
> Also, the bootlegged stuff is used to create warm leads and increase future
> sales.
>
> What I noticed about such retorts. They typically come after the shameless
> plug which I believe is against 'policy' for using the list to promote or
> advertise.
>
> We have a few in the middle here and hoping it doesn't become another side
> war. Let's step in to diffuse instead of creating a bench clearing! Can't
> we all just be friends?
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> Marc Edwards
> CCIE #38259
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 6:42 AM, Jay McMickle <jay.mcmickle_at_yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I love this banter!
> >
> > You are arguing about the inconvenience of a vendor to protect their
> > investment?
> >
> > If the Brian's at INE are big-ballers and are okay with their workbooks
> on
> > bit-torrent, that's their preference. I believe I read one of them make
> a
> > joke about this last time this came up in fact!
> >
> > I mean this with respect to Narbik- he's a small business that puts hard
> > work into his teaching and materials, just as the Brian's do. Both
> material
> > is excellent. Narbik let's you attend his retake his bootcamps for free.
> >
> > The Brian's simply have a different business model and it works well for
> > them.
> >
> > You're upset about the security restraints placed on Narbik's $350
> > workbook, but not the fact you have to pay $3000+ to retake an INE boot
> > camp (I don't believe that they offer free retakes on a regular basis,
> but
> > might have a periodic special-maybe). Hmm. I think I see the point here-
> > you want the longer term workbook for free.
> >
> > Final point- you may be upset because you can't use you 10" tablet to
> read
> > the workbooks while you lab. Consider a second 24" $150 monitor, perhaps?
> >
> > Happy labbing- cheers!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jay McMickle CCIE #35355
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 11, 2013, at 4:51 AM, David Rothera <david.rothera_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > You seem to be misunderstanding my stance on this. At no time do I
> > condone piracy for IE workbooks, I have paid for in full every single of
> > training material that I used.
> > >
> > > What I am trying to say is that the workbooks are going to be pirated
> no
> > matter which way you go about it and I feel that the approach that INE
> have
> > of simply not using DRM in the first place is the correct one, it means I
> > can sign into my members page, download the PDF and use it however I
> choose
> > (Android, iOS, Mac, PC, Print) and am not limited in how many devices or
> in
> > the PDF reader I must use.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > David Rothera
> > > CCIE #38338
> > > david.rothera_at_gmail.com
> > > M: 07584060207
> > > W: networkbroadcast.co.uk
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thursday, 11 April 2013 at 10:45, JB Poplawski wrote:
> > >
> > >> I like how the first guy to reply is the Co-founder of the most
> pirated
> > IE Workbooks around!
> > >>
> > >> What one person receives without working for, another person must work
> > for without receiving.
> > >>
> > >> David, let me know when you can photograph a wedding, I'd like to
> > commission you for free. I got a few gigs you can do here in the States.
> > If you don't mind flying over here and working for free... :)
> > >>
> > >> -JB
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Shane Killian <
> shane_at_shanekillian.net(mailto:
> > shane_at_shanekillian.net)> wrote:
> > >>> My experience is this -
> > >>>
> > >>> I have purchased products that use DRM (e.g. LockLizard) but for me
> its
> > >>> easier to use my INE products instead of messing about with
> Locklizard
> > >>> between computers, iPad, Android etc.
> > >>> This is something that you remember as a customer (this was my first
> > >>> experience with LockLizard) and when you are a vendor, its important
> to
> > >>> remember that reputation and experiences are **everything**.
> > >>>
> > >>> I think that "Vendor X" (without DRM) is well aware that material
> > can be
> > >>> found online and shared but I would guess that there approach is to
> > make a
> > >>> product so good that you can't **not** buy it.
> > >>> This is an intelligent move. I think at the end of the day, the
> people
> > that
> > >>> were going to buy the material will buy the material and the people
> > that
> > >>> weren't going to - won't.
> > >>>
> > >>> I would be interested to see the contribution of time and effort
> > invested
> > >>> in DRM being used to create, improve and deliver products more
> > efficiently.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Joseph L. Brunner
> > >>> <joe_at_affirmedsystems.com (mailto:joe_at_affirmedsystems.com)>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I have to disagree David. And I'll give you a level headed
> > explanation...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> China, other countries, blatantly infringe on intellectual property
> > >>>> copyrights. Their entire economy and culture is built on breaking
> the
> > >>>> rules...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In Beijing, if you are corrupt politician - you had better be
> playing
> > for
> > >>>> "the right side."
> > >>>> In NYC, you have FBI agents at your door at 6am as we saw last week
> > when
> > >>>> they grabbed a few more democrat NYS senators in Queens :) Aha loved
> > to say
> > >>>> that... good riddens...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In Beijing if you counterfeit CD's & DVD's - you have a green light
> > to do
> > >>>> so.
> > >>>> In NYC if you counterfeit Louis Vuitton handbags - you get like a 17
> > year
> > >>>> jail sentence in the Federal lock up.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> American culture values intellectual property. The time, resources
> and
> > >>>> materials the entrepreneur invested into his product, business or
> > service
> > >>>> deserves a system where his investment is protected. For the same
> > reason a
> > >>>> Military general can't seize your home to build an Olympic stadium
> > without
> > >>>> due process. Or his son cant rape your daughter without the fear of
> > doing
> > >>>> hard jail time. In America, if you take something that doesn't
> belong
> > to
> > >>>> you there are harsh consequences...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Now, we all know without calling a duck the guy quacking at the end
> > of the
> > >>>> bar, many CCIE candidates happen to be from counties where copyright
> > >>>> enforcement has a pretty piss poor history.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Why should Narbik be forced to give his product away for free
> because
> > >>>> someone is too lazy or stupid to comply with DRM?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> You own DVD's or Bluerays right? Those are encrypted. If you broke
> the
> > >>>> encryption to clone or copy the DVD that's on you. Keep doing it and
> > see
> > >>>> what happens when the lawyers of Universal and Fox News Subpoena
> your
> > Fios
> > >>>> IP. Got $500,000 in legal fees handy against a $500,000 settlement.
> > Take
> > >>>> your pick...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> In the end the royalties paid to Narbik for his time and hard work
> > will
> > >>>> improve his family's quality of life, put his grandkids through
> > college
> > >>>> (he's like 97, right?), help him pay his taxes, fix his teeth, keep
> > new
> > >>>> fresh Michy's on his car so he doesn't have an accident, buy his
> > health
> > >>>> insurance so he can stay healthy and teaching CCIE lab courses...
> > >>>>
> > >>>> If you are not in favor of his DRM - then perhaps with your newly
> > minted
> > >>>> CCIE you can work for $35 an hour and send me the cash???
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Joe Brunner
> > >>>> C/O Borgata High Roller's Tables, with the 5' 4" Dominican hottie on
> > his
> > >>>> arm
> > >>>> 1 Borgata Way
> > >>>> Atlantic City, NJ 08401
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com (mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com) [mailto:
> > nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> > >>>> David Rothera
> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 1:46 AM
> > >>>> To: Narbik Kocharians
> > >>>> Cc: CCIE Groupstudy
> > >>>> Subject: Re: Locklizard
> > >>>>
> > >>>> As per usual with DRM controlled media the only people you are
> > hurting are
> > >>>> your customers and I hate to say it Narbik but the fact that you use
> > this
> > >>>> crap is why I would never consider your products.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> People will always find a way to pirate things and at the end of the
> > day
> > >>>> as I have already said the only people that get hurt by this are
> your
> > real
> > >>>> customers.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Regards
> > >>>>
> > >>>> David Rothera
> > >>>> CCIE #38338
> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>> Please excuse any mistakes and brevity.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 10 Apr 2013, at 22:55, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
> (mailto:
> > narbikk_at_gmail.com)> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> http://www.locklizard.com/pdf-secure-ios_news.htm
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Now you can install our workbooks on your iPad, iPhone, etc etc
> > ......
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> *Narbik Kocharians
> > >>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
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