RE: CCIE with Pass Guarantee

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> From: mgeorge_at_geores.net
> To: narbikk_at_gmail.com; er.adeshchaudhary_at_gmail.com
> CC: tmcribbs_at_gmail.com; itguy.pro_at_gmail.com; ahmedsalim_at_gmail.com;
sdibias_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; cisco_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE with Pass Guarantee
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:07:48 -0500
>
> This type of shit affects everyone with a CCIE number. You can weed out
> dumpers in an interview however these individuals that pass using dumps are
> slowly devaluing the certification by flooding the market with CCIE numbers
> that can be used by companies for partnership status.
>
> I hail Narbik for doing the right thing and attempting to take care of what
> he can but in all honesty if you have the CCIE than it's in your best
> interest to ensure that your investment retains value.
>
> The thing that comes to mind is Star Ship Troopers where the Federation
> advertises "Do your part! If you see something say something."
>
> -Matthew George
> Free CCNA Workbook
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Narbik Kocharians
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 9:37 PM
> To: Adesh Chaudhary
> Cc: Tim Cribbs Jr.; Haroon; Ahmed; Steve Di Bias; Cisco certification;
Cisco
> certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE with Pass Guarantee
>
> I would LOVE to know the list, because I can stop them.
>
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Adesh Chaudhary <
> er.adeshchaudhary_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Tim,
> >
> > Neither I mean to offend, Nor I am judging anyone.
> >
> > There are X number of vendors out there that are supplying these labs
> > for many years, that too along with Guarantees. let me know if you want a
> list?
> >
> > You think Cisco is unaware of them? If Yes, I'd say WoWwwwww... If I
> > am being apathaetic, What is Cisco doing? Don't they know how to
> > google or what? Why don't they change the labs that frequently? If No,
> > What did they do about it? Maybe something without results, I don't know.
> >
> > Come on... they took jeremy cioara's blog down few years back, you
> > think they can't take on these sites?
> >
> > I make my choices, you make yours, others will choose for themselves.
> > End of the story.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Tim Cribbs Jr. <tmcribbs_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think we all have a solid understanding of what happens in
> > > interviews to those who dump, no hidden fact. But lots of us DO care
> > > about this topic, so to be so apathetic about it says a lot about you.
> > >
> > > ...LOL
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Adesh Chaudhary
> > > <er.adeshchaudhary_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > ccie exam has limited sets, No hidden fact. What if I give you
> > > > mock questions with same topology (replace Ethernet with serial or
> > > > whatever)
> > > and
> > > > similar IP's (replace subnet X with Y) & I think that should be
> enough.
> > > They
> > > > are Cisco Partners... If using dumps, I believe they'd have found
> > > > a workaround OR dont know OR dont care OR whatever. For those who
> > > > will
> > > pass,
> > > > will struggle in interviews OR even get a job but what next ???
> > Struggle
> > > to
> > > > justify their number... or would it be easier to hide OR may be do
> > > another
> > > > one the same way... LOL
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Tim Cribbs Jr.
> > > > <tmcribbs_at_gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I think what he is saying is - if a company claims that they can
> > > >> teach you the entire blueprint in 11 days - with a guarantee -
> > > >> that it is way too suspicious. The guarantee just makes it more
> suspicious.
> > > >> Anyone can claim to teach you the blueprint in 11 days, but to
> > > >> guarantee passing based on having you take just a couple "practice"
> > > >> labs makes it plainly obvious. I really don't know what the
> > > >> confusion is on this...
> > > >>
> > > >> Tim
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Haroon <itguy.pro_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > Ahmed,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > so, what is the problem with the guarantee? Are you saying that
> > > >> > even though they offer a guarantee, you still can't pass the
> > > >> > lab? There is a
> > hint
> > > in
> > > >> > there somewhere. ;)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Ahmed <ahmedsalim_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> I certainly believe so put have no proof. But this topic has
> > > >> >> been discussed here over and over again. The reason I have
> > > >> >> posted this is because emtech is a big cisco player, and a big
> > > >> >> training institute. If they are
> > > doing
> > > >> >> this
> > > >> >> openly, blatantly, in front of Cisco's eyes and ears, than
> > > >> >> this is definitely a show stopper.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> How can something like this be ignored by cisco I have
> > > >> >> already reported this , lets see what happens.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Ahmed
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On 11 Dec 2012, at 00:02, Steve Di Bias <sdibias_at_gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Ahmed, are you certain they are selling dumps like you
> > > >> >> suggest? If
> > so
> > > >> >> report them to Cisco
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/exam/violation_rules.html
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Cheers!
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Ahmed <ahmedsalim_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > I've received the below email . This is both a cisco partner
> > > >> >> > and
> > a
> > > >> >> training
> > > >> >> > institute. This looks highly highly suspicious. Can we/Cisco
> > > >> >> > do something about this and stop this non-sense.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > I'm forwarding it as received.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Ahmed
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > >> >> > From: S.P Menon <spmenon_at_emtech.ae>
> > > >> >> > Date: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:12 AM
> > > >> >> > Subject: CCIE with Pass Guarantee
> > > >> >> > To: "S.P Menon" <spmenon_at_emtech.ae>
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > *CCIE R&S with Passing Guarantee*
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > This is an 11 days Program. We need you to be present at the
> > > >> >> > institute
> > > >> >> all
> > > >> >> > these days before your exams. There would be 3 model exams
> > > >> >> > that
> > we
> > > >> >> provide
> > > >> >> > and you will have to clear at least 2 exams for you to
> > > >> >> > qualify
> > for
> > > >> >> > this
> > > >> >> > program. Once you qualify for this program, If you do not
> > > >> >> > pass
> > the
> > > >> >> > CCIE
> > > >> >> Lab
> > > >> >> > Exam in the first attempt, we will reimburse you the Lab
> > > >> >> > Exam fee
> > > of
> > > >> >> > USD
> > > >> >> > 1500.00 once you produce the confirmation that you have
> > > >> >> > booked
> > the
> > > >> >> > CCIE
> > > >> >> Lab
> > > >> >> > Exam for the second time.****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Following is the daily plan of action for this program;****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > **C **Day 1: Model Exam 1****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > **C **Days 2 & 3: Practice based on feedback of Model Exam
> > 1.****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > **C **Day 4: Model Exam 2****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > **C **Days 5 & 6: Practice based on feedback of Model Exam
> > 2****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > **C **Day 7: Model Exam 3.****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > **C **Days 8, 9 & 10: Practice based on feedback of Model
Exam
> > > >> >> > 3****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > **C **Day 11: Final Discussions before CCIE Lab Exam based on
> > all
> > > >> >> > feedbacks & corrective actions taken.****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > These Model Exams cost AED 800.00 each and in case you are
> > > >> >> > unable
> > > to
> > > >> >> clear
> > > >> >> > 2 out of 3, you may take extra lab exams by making extra
> > > >> >> > payment
> > of
> > > >> >> > AED
> > > >> >> > 800.00 per lab.****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > * *
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Best Regards,****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > * *
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > *Sreejith Menon
> > > >> >> > Key Account Manager - Corporate Training Emtech Computer
> > > >> >> > Institute P.O. Box 28023, Dubai, UAE*
> > > >> >> >
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> > > >> >> >
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