RE: CCIE with Pass Guarantee

Doug,

Talk the talk, but u can't walk the walk. Any real CCIE will tell you abot the journey. The number was part of the bigger journey. Can you B shortcut a way to your passion to your career? There are no shortcuts just people who share and work hard. My guarantee work hard and never give up. Just believe in you and you will get thereB

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> From: mgeorge_at_geores.net
> To: narbikk_at_gmail.com; er.adeshchaudhary_at_gmail.com
> CC: tmcribbs_at_gmail.com; itguy.pro_at_gmail.com; ahmedsalim_at_gmail.com;
sdibias_at_gmail.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com; cisco_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: CCIE with Pass Guarantee
> Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 22:07:48 -0500
>
> This type of shit affects everyone with a CCIE number. You can weed out
> dumpers in an interview however these individuals that pass using dumps are
> slowly devaluing the certification by flooding the market with CCIE numbers
> that can be used by companies for partnership status.
>
> I hail Narbik for doing the right thing and attempting to take care of what
> he can but in all honesty if you have the CCIE than it's in your best
> interest to ensure that your investment retains value.
>
> The thing that comes to mind is Star Ship Troopers where the Federation
> advertises "Do your part! If you see something say something."
>
> -Matthew George
> Free CCNA Workbook
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Narbik Kocharians
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 9:37 PM
> To: Adesh Chaudhary
> Cc: Tim Cribbs Jr.; Haroon; Ahmed; Steve Di Bias; Cisco certification;
Cisco
> certification
> Subject: Re: CCIE with Pass Guarantee
>
> I would LOVE to know the list, because I can stop them.
>
> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Adesh Chaudhary <
> er.adeshchaudhary_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Tim,
> >
> > Neither I mean to offend, Nor I am judging anyone.
> >
> > There are X number of vendors out there that are supplying these labs
> > for many years, that too along with Guarantees. let me know if you want a
> list?
> >
> > You think Cisco is unaware of them? If Yes, I'd say WoWwwwww... If I
> > am being apathaetic, What is Cisco doing? Don't they know how to
> > google or what? Why don't they change the labs that frequently? If No,
> > What did they do about it? Maybe something without results, I don't know.
> >
> > Come on... they took jeremy cioara's blog down few years back, you
> > think they can't take on these sites?
> >
> > I make my choices, you make yours, others will choose for themselves.
> > End of the story.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 6:35 AM, Tim Cribbs Jr. <tmcribbs_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I think we all have a solid understanding of what happens in
> > > interviews to those who dump, no hidden fact. But lots of us DO care
> > > about this topic, so to be so apathetic about it says a lot about you.
> > >
> > > ...LOL
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 5:44 PM, Adesh Chaudhary
> > > <er.adeshchaudhary_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > ccie exam has limited sets, No hidden fact. What if I give you
> > > > mock questions with same topology (replace Ethernet with serial or
> > > > whatever)
> > > and
> > > > similar IP's (replace subnet X with Y) & I think that should be
> enough.
> > > They
> > > > are Cisco Partners... If using dumps, I believe they'd have found
> > > > a workaround OR dont know OR dont care OR whatever. For those who
> > > > will
> > > pass,
> > > > will struggle in interviews OR even get a job but what next ???
> > Struggle
> > > to
> > > > justify their number... or would it be easier to hide OR may be do
> > > another
> > > > one the same way... LOL
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:39 AM, Tim Cribbs Jr.
> > > > <tmcribbs_at_gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> I think what he is saying is - if a company claims that they can
> > > >> teach you the entire blueprint in 11 days - with a guarantee -
> > > >> that it is way too suspicious.B The guarantee just makes it more
> suspicious.
> > > >> Anyone can claim to teach you the blueprint in 11 days, but to
> > > >> guarantee passing based on having you take just a couple "practice"
> > > >> labs makes it plainly obvious.B I really don't know what the
> > > >> confusion is on this...
> > > >>
> > > >> Tim
> > > >>
> > > >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Haroon <itguy.pro_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> > Ahmed,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > so, what is the problem with the guarantee? Are you saying that
> > > >> > even though they offer a guarantee, you still can't pass the
> > > >> > lab? There is a
> > hint
> > > in
> > > >> > there somewhere. ;)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Ahmed <ahmedsalim_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> I certainly believe so put have no proof. But this topic has
> > > >> >> been discussed here over and over again. The reason I have
> > > >> >> posted this is because emtech is a big cisco player, and a big
> > > >> >> training institute. If they are
> > > doing
> > > >> >> this
> > > >> >> openly, blatantly, in front of Cisco's eyes and ears, than
> > > >> >> this is definitely a show stopper.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> How can something like this be ignored by ciscoB I have
> > > >> >> already reported this , lets see what happens.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Ahmed
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On 11 Dec 2012, at 00:02, Steve Di Bias <sdibias_at_gmail.com>
wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Ahmed, are you certain they are selling dumps like you
> > > >> >> suggest? If
> > so
> > > >> >> report them to Cisco
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/exam/violation_rules.html
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Cheers!
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Ahmed <ahmedsalim_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > I've received the below email . This is both a cisco partner
> > > >> >> > and
> > a
> > > >> >> training
> > > >> >> > institute. This looks highly highly suspicious. Can we/Cisco
> > > >> >> > do something about this and stop this non-sense.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > I'm forwarding it as received.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Ahmed
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > > >> >> > From: S.P Menon <spmenon_at_emtech.ae>
> > > >> >> > Date: Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 9:12 AM
> > > >> >> > Subject: CCIE with Pass Guarantee
> > > >> >> > To: "S.P Menon" <spmenon_at_emtech.ae>
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > *CCIE R&S with Passing Guarantee*
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > This is an 11 days Program. We need you to be present at the
> > > >> >> > institute
> > > >> >> all
> > > >> >> > these days before your exams. There would be 3 model exams
> > > >> >> > that
> > we
> > > >> >> provide
> > > >> >> > and you will have to clear at least 2 exams for you to
> > > >> >> > qualify
> > for
> > > >> >> > this
> > > >> >> > program. Once you qualify for this program, If you do not
> > > >> >> > pass
> > the
> > > >> >> > CCIE
> > > >> >> Lab
> > > >> >> > Exam in the first attempt, we will reimburse you the Lab
> > > >> >> > Exam fee
> > > of
> > > >> >> > USD
> > > >> >> > 1500.00 once you produce the confirmation that you have
> > > >> >> > booked
> > the
> > > >> >> > CCIE
> > > >> >> Lab
> > > >> >> > Exam for the second time.****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Following is the daily plan of action for this program;****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > **CB B **Day 1: Model Exam 1****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > **CB B **Days 2 & 3: Practice based on feedback of Model Exam
> > 1.****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > **CB B **Day 4: Model Exam 2****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > **CB B **Days 5 & 6: Practice based on feedback of Model Exam
> > 2****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > **CB B **Day 7: Model Exam 3.****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > **CB B **Days 8, 9 & 10: Practice based on feedback of Model
Exam
> > > >> >> > 3****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > **CB B **Day 11: Final Discussions before CCIE Lab Exam based on
> > all
> > > >> >> > feedbacks & corrective actions taken.****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > These Model Exams cost AED 800.00 each and in case you are
> > > >> >> > unable
> > > to
> > > >> >> clear
> > > >> >> > 2 out of 3, you may take extra lab exams by making extra
> > > >> >> > payment
> > of
> > > >> >> > AED
> > > >> >> > 800.00 per lab.****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > ** **
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > * *
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Best Regards,****
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > * *
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > *Sreejith Menon
> > > >> >> > Key Account Manager - Corporate Training Emtech Computer
> > > >> >> > Institute P.O. Box 28023, Dubai, UAE*
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > *Cell: +97155 4526680
> > > >> >> > Tel: +9714 3583005 Ext: 302
> > > >> >> > Fax: +9714 3583321
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> > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Emtech-Group/129228590532746?ref=hl>
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> > > >> >> >
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