Re: CCIE Service Providerv3 - General Question

Paul,

i am also looking for SP after RS, but apart from different syntax , for
which i assume one or two week of practice is enough .

what major software advantageous does XR have and IOS lacks?

On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Paul Negron <negron.paul_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> My 2 cents,
>
> I agree that the learning curve of basic commands from IOS to IOS-XR is
> easy enough but the sub options carry some hefty differences. I can show
> you some flags in Multicast that might make you scratch your head a few
> times.
>
> The line cards are truly distributed and much different output is
> available then anything else for IOS that can help aid in troubleshooting.
>
> I would agree that your workbook assumes that you would be at an Advanced
> CCIE R& S level. Narbik and I do not take that approach. I guess that is a
> difference of opinion. (Agree to disagree).
>
> If you have little experience with IOS-XR, I can see how you would say the
> differences are Very Minor.
> I've been messing around with it for 6 years and STILL sift through some
> cool stuff that can be very helpful.
>
> Paul
>
> Paul Negron
> CCIE# 14856
> negron.paul_at_gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Oct 26, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Brian McGahan <bmcgahan_at_ine.com> wrote:
>
> > No offense Narbik, but I don't necessarily agree with this statement.
> If you're already at the CCIE R&S level then going back to CCNA SP is
> going to be a waste of time in my opinion. Passing CCIE R&S today already
> assumes that you already have an expert level understanding of layer 2
> technologies, IPv4, IPv6, IGP, BGP, and Intra-AS MPLS L3VPN.
> >
> > CCIE SP is not a large stretch beyond this. It's essentially an MPLS +
> BGP exam. If you *really* understand the core of MPLS already, then you
> just need to know how Inter-AS L3VPN works, L2VPN (which is very simple),
> and some enhanced services like Multicast over L3VPN, and of course IOS XR
> syntax.
> >
> > Tom, as to what you previously said:
> >
> > "I'm thinking that learning the theory and implementing it on IOS would
> take significant time. Then applying that same knowledge to XR might not be
> as hard. I'm not sure if that makes much sense without knowing XR that
> much, but I would think that most of the features are similar with some new
> additional ones first implemented on the XR line. Anyone agree or disagree?"
> >
> > This is 100% correct. If you understand first how all the technologies
> work on IOS, there is very little involved in porting this to XR. Of
> course there is a learning curve with the syntax, but beyond this the
> *vast* majority of features work exactly the same. After all, networking
> is highly based on open standards protocols, e.g. OSPF, IS-IS, BGP, LDP,
> etc., so as long as you understand the *why* behind them then it's very
> simple to understand the *how* on IOS XR. Of course there are caveats on
> XR, but are by far the minority.
> >
> > As for the INE workbooks and videos (I can't speak for anyone else's),
> we already assume that you're at CCIE R&S level. This means we assume you
> are an *expert* at IGP and BGP. If you're not, then you're wasting your
> time trying to work on the SP technologies, because all their fundamental
> basis is coming from enterprise routing & switching.
> >
> > As mentioned before in the thread, MPLS Enabled Applications should be
> seen as required reading for this track. Beyond this I would mainly focus
> on the documentation. This of course assumes you are already at CCIE R&S
> level for the other topics.
> >
> > We've had an extensive number of candidates that were already CCIE R&S,
> used INE's SPv3 ATC videos and the SPv3 workbook and then passed the exam.
> Let me know if you have more specific questions about it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Brian McGahan, CCIE #8593 (R&S/SP/Security)
> > bmcgahan_at_INE.com
> >
> > Internetwork Expert, Inc.
> > http://www.INE.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Narbik Kocharians
> > Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:08 PM
> > To: Tom Kacprzynski
> > Cc: John Gitau; Cisco certification; Shaughn; Yuri Bank
> > Subject: Re: CCIE Service Providerv3 - General Question
> >
> > To All,
> >
> > The best way to approach this is to go through the SP-CCNA/SP-CCNP
> classes/materials, recently the old MPLS was removed and it was replaced
> with the new SP CCNA and CCNP, which i think was the BEST move Cisco has
> ever made for SP certs.
> >
> > You can start with SPNGN1 and then SPNGN2 for your CCNA end then for
> SP-CCNP you need 4 courses: SPRoute, SPAdvRoute, SPCore, SPEdge.
> >
> > One of the best curriculums
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Tom Kacprzynski <tom.kac_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Whether Cisco is big in DWDM space or not is one conversation to have,
> >> but could you guys share with me what type of materials you used to
> >> study topics like DWDM, ATM or SONET for the CCIE SP written test? I
> >> know that these topics can be very deep in the amount of complexity and
> information.
> >>
> >> Thanks everyone,
> >>
> >> Tom
> >>
> >> **
> >> On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:05 AM, John Gitau <jgitau_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> most of our clients run Cisco dwdm/optical gear
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>
> >>> On 25 Oct 2012, at 11:11, Shaughn <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Cisco are big in the DWDM/Optical space. I have worked with very
> >>>> large
> >>> ISP's running Cisco in that layer of the network.
> >>>>
> >>>> CCIE # 23962 (SP)
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>> On 25 Oct 2012, at 9:54 AM, Yuri Bank <yuribank_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Everyone says that Cisco will eventually release some kind of
> >>>>> virtualized platform for IOS-XR, but I don't see it happening.
> >>>>> Hell, even the versions of L3/L2IOU that are floating around were
> >>>>> *not* officially released by Cisco. I think if anything, they
> >>>>> will go towards a hosted solution, similar to Junosphere, which
> >>>>> kind of sucks because I really like having my own lab to tinker with.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dynamips running c7200s can do a lot of the technologies, so
> >>>>> using it learn the theory and fundamental configurations makes a lot
> of sense.
> >>>>> I think this is what most people are doing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I didn't think Cisco was big in the DWDM/SONET market (I've seen
> >>>>> ISPs running Fujitsu, Infinera, and Alcalu for optical transport
> >>>>> but never Cisco). I think the material on that subject would be
> >>>>> minimal. All very much theory based.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -Yuri
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 8:27 AM, Tom Kacprzynski
> >>>>> <tom.kac_at_gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Yuri,
> >>>>>> Good to hear from you. Looking over the written and lab
> >>>>>> requirements,
> >>> there
> >>>>>> seems to be some differences. Written seems to have a lot more
> >>>>>> of
> >>> things
> >>>>>> like SONET, DWDM, ATM along with the MPLS and IGP. What have you
> >>>>>> used
> >>> for
> >>>>>> these topics (SONET, DWDM, ATM)? The IS-IS books looks good,
> >>>>>> will
> >> have
> >>> to
> >>>>>> check it out. I just got the MPLS book and started reading
> >>>>>> "Traffic Engineering with MPLS" by Eric Osborne.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm thinking that learning the theory and implementing it on IOS
> >> would
> >>> take
> >>>>>> significant time. Then applying that same knowledge to XR might
> >>>>>> not
> >> be
> >>> as
> >>>>>> hard. I'm not sure if that makes much sense without knowing XR
> >>>>>> that
> >>> much,
> >>>>>> but I would think that most of the features are similar with
> >>>>>> some new additional ones first implemented on the XR line.
> >>>>>> Anyone agree or
> >>> disagree?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How are the rumors of virtualized XR platform? Any development
> there?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Tom Kacprzynski
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Yuri Bank <yuribank_at_gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hey Tom,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I've glanced over some of INE's material, and it looks pretty good.
> >>>>>>> However, workbooks are not the real concern, it's the lab
> equipment!
> >>>>>>> Anyways, I think studying for the CCIE-SP is no different from
> >>>>>>> the R&S. *Start with the theory* At least that is what I've
> >>>>>>> been doing. I just finished reading
> >> 'OSPF:
> >>>>>>> Anatomy of an Internet Routing Protocol' and 'MPLS Enabled
> >>>>>>> Applications'.
> >>>>>>> 'The Complete IS-IS Routing Protocol' Is next on my list.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> -Yuri
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 6:31 PM, HEMANTH RAJ
> >>>>>>> <hemanthrj_at_gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi Tom
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I was also with the same confusion as like you after finishing
> >>>>>>>> my
> >>> R&S.
> >>>>>>>> But
> >>>>>>>> now after purchasing Narbik Workbooks and INE materials for
> >>>>>>>> CCIE
> >>> SPV3. I
> >>>>>>>> felt they have covered the blueprint extensively. So i would
> >>> recommend
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> go for Narbik and INE WB if you want to pursue your SPV3.
> >>>>>>>> I am doing the same right now.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Tom Kacprzynski <
> >> tom.kac_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>>>> Now that I'm done with CCIE R&S, there is a void in my
> >>>>>>>>> evenings,
> >> no
> >>>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>> date-nights with R1 and SW2 (oh memories) or practice labs.
> >>>>>>>>> So I
> >> was
> >>>>>>>>> thinking of looking at the CCIE Service Provider. I wanted to
> >>>>>>>>> get
> >>> some
> >>>>>>>>> feedback from people that did their RS and moved on to the
> >>>>>>>>> Service Provider track. From my initial research I'm noticing
> >>>>>>>>> that workbooks don't
> >>> seem
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>> be comprehensive as with RS, by that I mean not all topics
> >>>>>>>>> are
> >>> covered
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> them (I could be wrong). Is that partly due to the hardware
> >>>>>>>>> requirements?
> >>>>>>>>> What sort of major difference did you noticed studying SPv3
> >>>>>>>>> vs RS
> >> in
> >>>>>>>>> terms
> >>>>>>>>> of materials and preparation?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Tom Kacprzynski
> >>>>>>>>> CCIE#36159
> >>>>>>>>>
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