My point is we can do nothing about it apart from having a moan :p
Back to labbing!
-- BR Sent from my iPhone on 3 On 15 Oct 2012, at 23:42, Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com> wrote: > Well... Cisco has it in India. Your point? :-) > > -- > Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 (SP R&S) > Senior CCIE Instructor - IPexpert > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Tony Singh <mothafungla_at_gmail.com> wrote: >> Yeah I seen that, this is what were all fearing oh and weren't there faults on >> switch fabric similar to cat os... >> >> Alcatel (although being french) tried a similar trick with an r&d facility in >> turkey no copyright laws you get the picture... >> >> -- >> BR >> >> Sent from my iPhone on 3 >> >> On 15 Oct 2012, at 18:59, marc abel <marcabel_at_gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> I hope this doesn't come across a nationalistic or xenophobic but in regards >> to Huwaei, are any of you uncomfortable having a Chinese company providing >> your core infrastructure? I am sure all governments participate in state >> sponsored hacking, but the Chinese just seem to take it to a whole different >> level. Combined with the fact that Ren Zhengfei, the founder of the company, >> served as an engineer in the Chinese army in the early 1980. Just last week >> the US House Intelligence Committee called Huwaei a national security threat >> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/09/us/us-panel-calls-huawei-and-zte-national-s >> ecurity-threat.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0. >>> >>> -Marc Abel >>> CCIE #35470 >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Tony Singh <mothafungla_at_gmail.com> wrote: >>> Huwaei now Cisco's main competitor Cisco said themselves, I'm surprised how >> easy uk government have made it for them, Fujitsu Ericsson have had to come >> out of their respective markets as they cant compete financially, Huwaei have >> just announced a 1.3b deal in the uk which see's them opening and r&d plant in >> London , they have also employed lords as advisors to their board - so to >> sweeten the government! >>> >>> -- >>> BR >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone on 3 >>> >>> On 15 Oct 2012, at 18:06, Shaughn <maniac.smg_at_gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Agreed >>>> >>>> It's a pity far too many operators these days put more emphasis on price >> than on an actual like for like basis. >>>> >>>> The initial price might be low but those multi year services agreements >> tend to make up for that >>>> >>>> Just saying >>>> >>>> CCIE # 23962 (SP) >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On 15 Oct 2012, at 6:35 PM, Cristian Ionescu <cristi.fx_at_gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi guys >>>>> >>>>> I must say that not allways the price is everything. You must take in >> consideration also the post-sales support. >>>>> Of course is hard to beat huawei on prices. They are working with price >> dumping and they want, if possible, the whole pie. >>>>> >>>>> Cristian >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 15, 2012, at 9:00, Muhammad Nasim <muhammad.nasim_at_gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If Price is the case, check Huwaie NE series, you will not be >> disappointed, >>>>>> I have seen big big ISPs here in middleeast who never in their DREAM >> wanted >>>>>> to go for Huwaie (you know right how we networking guys always think >> Cisco, >>>>>> Juniper,F5 , Brocade and others but NO HUWAIE). However after seeing >> the >>>>>> price difference they went for Huwai. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I know big deal of Smart City soluiton here in middleeast where Cisco >>>>>> worked like crazy on prices but at the end HUWAI took the prices. I >> really >>>>>> doubt if anyone can beat HUWAI prices : ) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:29 AM, Routing Freak >> <routingfreak_at_gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Gaurav, ASR's price is very expensive when compared to SSR or MX960. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe, u got to be kidding me. no way that Huwaei bought Ericsson. >> Ericsson >>>>>>> acquired Redback and Redbacks product such as Smart Edge is now under >>>>>>> Ercisson control >>>>>>> >>>>>>> and now Ericsson has built its own Multi Service Edge router called as >> SSR >>>>>>> ( Smart Service Router ) which is fast replacing all Cisco ASR 9k and >>>>>>> Junipers MX960 in the market nowadays. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Becasue its price is low when compared with ASR or MX and its >> performance >>>>>>> and feature set and their fabric architecture is too good when compared >> to >>>>>>> ASR9k. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I dont have much idea on MX960 fabric, but SSR fabric and throughput >> is >>>>>>> extrememly good when compared to ASR9k >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 140Gb/slot thorughput with 20 slots and three stage fabric with benes >>>>>>> architecture separated by midplanes and 188 Packet switching engines >> and >>>>>>> dedicated Fabric Queues >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Overall the throughput of the box is 2Tb . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> HI alberto >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for ur suggestion, a quick question on MX960 . Whether MX960 has >> te >>>>>>> hardware forwarding rate for Subscriber traffic and has built in >> Hardware >>>>>>> QOS ( Txring and RXring ) for wach customer profile. Is it possible in >>>>>>> MX960. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Marko >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What is ur suggestion on Redback based routers ? Redback is good old >>>>>>> router. Now on the new age, do u see anyone knows about these SSR or >> SE >>>>>>> routers in the real time market . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Alberto <albertofsantos_at_gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi there, >>>>>>>> I think u should at least test Ericsson's SSR, it is a mult service >>>>>>> router >>>>>>>> and it incorporate almost all smartedge featues and Based on what >> i've >>>>>>> seem >>>>>>>> it will scale more than MX's and ASR's >>>>>>>> Either in number of sessions or thrput >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> BR/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Enviado via iPhone >>>>>>>> CCIE# 26648 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Em 14/10/2012, `s 13:50, Routing Freak <routingfreak_at_gmail.com> >>>>>>> escreveu: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have a brand new customer site building up for their Edge >>>>>>> functionality >>>>>>>>> such as Broadband Aggregation and Broadband Network Gateway ( BNG ) >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> their 10000 + Customer base sites. I have a option to use either >>>>>>>> Ericsson >>>>>>>>> SSR router or Juniper MX 960 series router >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Can anyone suggest me which one to go for ? Either for Ericsson SSR >>>>>>>> Router >>>>>>>>> or junipers MX960. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Has anyone worked previously in Ericsson SSR router. I have seen a >> very >>>>>>>>> good feature set for BNG . Has anyone advice me on Ericsson router. >> I >>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> seen that there is a good customer base for Ericsson in Broadband >>>>>>> Network >>>>>>>>> Aggregation and Broadband Network Gateway >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And i have seen the Juniper MX960 performance and also their feature >>>>>>> set >>>>>>>>> for BNG is quite good. But MX Series is only used as a Metro >> Ethernet >>>>>>>>> Profile and also as a MPLS box exclusively and they dont have a very >>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>> performance on BNG set as far as the comments and feedback from >> several >>>>>>>>> peers and customers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So can anyone shed some light on both these routers and has anyone >> has >>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> real time experience in working on these routers on BNG front. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please do advice me on this . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> THanks. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Subscription information may be found at: >>>>>>>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>>>>> Subscription information may be found at: >>>>>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Muhammad Nasim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>>>> Subscription information may be found at: >>>>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>>> Subscription information may be found at: >>>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html >>>> >>>> >>>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>>> Subscription information may be found at: >>>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html >>> >>> >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________________________________ >>> Subscription information may be found at: >>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Marc Abel >>> CCIE #35470 >>> (Routing and Switching) >> >> >> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net >> >> _______________________________________________________________________ >> Subscription information may be found at: >> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.netReceived on Tue Oct 16 2012 - 07:15:24 ART
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