Re: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number

In case you hadn't noticed, nobody makes good margin on Cisco
equipment. :) Hardware sales is not where it's at.

However, there are still pricing differences from registered to premiere
to silver to gold. However, it's all within a few percentage points
that are generally eaten up by competition anyway.

As someone else noted, there's a lot more that goes into a silver or
gold partner than just having a few CCIE's hanging around. It's audited
(painfully) and all about processes and stuff. Good things for Cisco
wanting you to work in larger accounts. No sense in someone else giving
them a bad name!

If you're selling that much hardware though, where you care... I'd
suggest going to sell another vendor's products. You'll make more
money. If you are distancing yourself on the quality of professional
services, then you'll find that you can get a good reputation regardless
of status and that may make the difference to your customers.

Yes, you're correct that inherently the lower partners will possibly
have less overhead than larger partners, but that's not across the
board. I work for a gold partner. We are "slim" in that we have some
good high-quality engineers, but not nearly as much as some of the other
gold partners that we compete against. So while we may not move the
quantity they do, we do a damn good job, and can price things much
better overall than some other resellers.

Also, as I work in the federal/DoD space as well, there are OFTEN times
that unless you're a gold partner, you can't even submit a bid. Well, I
guess you can, but it won't be considered.

The power of marketing and status! Knowing the details though, is
important to also know what areas do or do not matter to you!

*Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,

CCDE #2009::D, CCNP-Voice, JNCIE-SP #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.

IPv6 Gold Certified Engineer, IPv6 Gold Certified Trainer

CCSI #21903, JNCI-SP, JNCI-ER

swm_at_emanon.com

Knowledge is power.

Power corrupts.

Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......

On 8/26/12 6:40 PM, Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
> Being a Silver or Gold partner probably mattered back in 1999 - but these days everyone gets the same discount - we all buy from Ingram Micro anyway - registered partner, gold partner - doesn't matter.
>
> The partner (of any suit) that registers the deal first has the best discount anyway)... finally, customers buy from who they trust... I have never lost a deal to a silver or gold partner from a customer who said "You know, Joe, I need a gold partner, I think I have some risk using a registered partner).
>
> People with money don't have time to worry about these stupid little minutiae - so why even bother registering and going through all this crap anyway?
>
> We just go Advanced UC - but that's as far as I'm going - and I still have to pester Cisco to put us in the system for that - 2 of my guys just passed all the voice field engineer certs and specialist badges - so now can officially sell voice.
>
> A partner would be better off hiring more sales people than wasting time bringing more ccie's to Cisco to get gold status, etc.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of CCIEAgent
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 9:55 AM
> To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
>
> http://www.ccieflyer.com/2009-June-Monica-Cojocneanu.php
>
> Excerpts from this article from Monica about some work done for CCIEs around this topic:
>
> In Monica's case this example of her work should help all CCIEs breathe easier. After the recent counterfeit CCIE we smoked out I was contacted via LinkedIn by a recruiter in the UK who feels that this kind of activity lowers the salaries of ethical CCIEs. Maybe she is right and this exercise is helping preserve the value of the investment so many have made in their CCIE certifications.
>
> When the names of 5 CCIEs appeared on a partner new application for Gold certification, the Program Manager had to validate that these CCIEs were eligible to fill those roles. As you know, Eman, the CCIEs have to reside in the country seeking certification. From the very beginning, the Program Manager suspected that the partner was not being completely transparent regarding the country of residency of the CCIEs listed on the application.
> It was not too difficult to suspect deceit, especially since the CCIEs on the application had Korean names and the partner seeking certification was located in Pakistan.
>
> The Cisco Brand Protection team immediately started an investigation. Three of the CCIEs stated that they had no knowledge that the Partner had listed them on the application. The other two CCIEs indicated they lived in Pakistan and worked for the Partner. However, when the email headers were analyzed, IP addresses indicated they originated in Korea.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CCIEAgent [mailto:ccieagent_at_verizon.net]
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 9:50 AM
> To: 'Joseph L. Brunner'; 'Thomas Perrier'; 'Terry Tender'
> Cc: 'ccielab_at_groupstudy.com'
> Subject: RE: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
>
> Cisco audits include simple things like checking the LinkedIn page of a CCIE. I have seen this happen. But, I have also seen the contracts used to do Rent-a-certs and there are some good ones out there that seem to protect the CCIE, it's the channel that then suffers instead. Off-line if you want to discuss I am available. Protect your number because it cost too much to lose for the pittance paid for it's use.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Joseph L. Brunner
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:35 PM
> To: Thomas Perrier; Terry Tender
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: RE: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
>
> That's impossible to prove...
>
> Dozens of CCIE's who work for big banks, govt, etc and are not Affiliated with a partner have always done for this extra cash...
>
> Partner's often can't stay competitive and keep up gold, silver and other thetan levels withour stunt c*ck CCIE's on their payroll..
>
> If a partner is audited they can just state the CCIE's works 40 hours remote and 2 hours a week at customer meetings... most consultant firms are setup that way anyway - no worries...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Perrier
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:35 PM
> To: Terry Tender
> Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> Subject: Re: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
>
> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Terry Tender <terry.tender_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> A CCIE who is doing online work unrelated to Cisco, wants to do
>> part-time consultancy/pre-sales and wants to attach their CCIE number
>> with a Cisco partner. Can anyone recommend how/where he can look?
> Cisco partner rules state a CCIE must work for full time for a partner for the latter to use the former's number.
>
> -Thomas
>
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