Re: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number

An india agency from linkedin.com approach me that a *US company wants to
employ and tie CCIE number with their organization*. I am not located in
US. The initial phase is a remote consultant under his agency (He said
maximum fee is $4k/months).

I have no idea whether this arrangement is comlpy with Cisco CCIE policy or
even US government.
Is this a unusual US job arrangement for overseas job applicant?

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1. This position will *initially be remote* and youll be working from
home as a consultant to (US company). You will sign a contract with my
company and well further contract your services to (US company).

2. In second phase, based with your performance, you may be invited to
US as a consultant on Business (you will need a B1/B2 visa for this  if
you are selected, please apply for one immediately). A different
consultancy fee will be finalized at that moment.
3. In the third phase, you may be posted to US on H1B visa - as and when
they become available.

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And, already requested to fill the form with my CCIE number and
passport/visa on his first email

Cisco Information (CCIE):
First Name:
Last Name:
Certification Number:
Certification Type(s):

Passport & Visa
Passport Number:
Valid Till (date):
Has a valid US visa stamping (Yes/No/NA):
If yes, Valid Till (date/NA):

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Scott Morris <swm_at_emanon.com> wrote:

> In case you hadn't noticed, nobody makes good margin on Cisco
> equipment. :) Hardware sales is not where it's at.
>
> However, there are still pricing differences from registered to premiere
> to silver to gold. However, it's all within a few percentage points
> that are generally eaten up by competition anyway.
>
> As someone else noted, there's a lot more that goes into a silver or
> gold partner than just having a few CCIE's hanging around. It's audited
> (painfully) and all about processes and stuff. Good things for Cisco
> wanting you to work in larger accounts. No sense in someone else giving
> them a bad name!
>
> If you're selling that much hardware though, where you care... I'd
> suggest going to sell another vendor's products. You'll make more
> money. If you are distancing yourself on the quality of professional
> services, then you'll find that you can get a good reputation regardless
> of status and that may make the difference to your customers.
>
> Yes, you're correct that inherently the lower partners will possibly
> have less overhead than larger partners, but that's not across the
> board. I work for a gold partner. We are "slim" in that we have some
> good high-quality engineers, but not nearly as much as some of the other
> gold partners that we compete against. So while we may not move the
> quantity they do, we do a damn good job, and can price things much
> better overall than some other resellers.
>
> Also, as I work in the federal/DoD space as well, there are OFTEN times
> that unless you're a gold partner, you can't even submit a bid. Well, I
> guess you can, but it won't be considered.
>
> The power of marketing and status! Knowing the details though, is
> important to also know what areas do or do not matter to you!
>
>
>
>
> *Scott Morris*, CCIE/x4/ (R&S/ISP-Dial/Security/Service Provider) #4713,
>
> CCDE #2009::D, CCNP-Voice, JNCIE-SP #153, JNCIE-ER #102, CISSP, et al.
>
> IPv6 Gold Certified Engineer, IPv6 Gold Certified Trainer
>
> CCSI #21903, JNCI-SP, JNCI-ER
>
> swm_at_emanon.com
>
>
> Knowledge is power.
>
> Power corrupts.
>
> Study hard and be Eeeeviiiil......
>
> On 8/26/12 6:40 PM, Joseph L. Brunner wrote:
> > Being a Silver or Gold partner probably mattered back in 1999 - but
> these days everyone gets the same discount - we all buy from Ingram Micro
> anyway - registered partner, gold partner - doesn't matter.
> >
> > The partner (of any suit) that registers the deal first has the best
> discount anyway)... finally, customers buy from who they trust... I have
> never lost a deal to a silver or gold partner from a customer who said "You
> know, Joe, I need a gold partner, I think I have some risk using a
> registered partner).
> >
> > People with money don't have time to worry about these stupid little
> minutiae - so why even bother registering and going through all this crap
> anyway?
> >
> > We just go Advanced UC - but that's as far as I'm going - and I still
> have to pester Cisco to put us in the system for that - 2 of my guys just
> passed all the voice field engineer certs and specialist badges - so now
> can officially sell voice.
> >
> > A partner would be better off hiring more sales people than wasting time
> bringing more ccie's to Cisco to get gold status, etc.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> CCIEAgent
> > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 9:55 AM
> > To: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
> >
> > http://www.ccieflyer.com/2009-June-Monica-Cojocneanu.php
> >
> > Excerpts from this article from Monica about some work done for CCIEs
> around this topic:
> >
> > In Monica's case this example of her work should help all CCIEs breathe
> easier. After the recent counterfeit CCIE we smoked out I was contacted via
> LinkedIn by a recruiter in the UK who feels that this kind of activity
> lowers the salaries of ethical CCIEs. Maybe she is right and this exercise
> is helping preserve the value of the investment so many have made in their
> CCIE certifications.
> >
> > When the names of 5 CCIEs appeared on a partner new application for Gold
> certification, the Program Manager had to validate that these CCIEs were
> eligible to fill those roles. As you know, Eman, the CCIEs have to reside
> in the country seeking certification. From the very beginning, the Program
> Manager suspected that the partner was not being completely transparent
> regarding the country of residency of the CCIEs listed on the application.
> > It was not too difficult to suspect deceit, especially since the CCIEs
> on the application had Korean names and the partner seeking certification
> was located in Pakistan.
> >
> > The Cisco Brand Protection team immediately started an investigation.
> Three of the CCIEs stated that they had no knowledge that the Partner had
> listed them on the application. The other two CCIEs indicated they lived in
> Pakistan and worked for the Partner. However, when the email headers were
> analyzed, IP addresses indicated they originated in Korea.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: CCIEAgent [mailto:ccieagent_at_verizon.net]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 9:50 AM
> > To: 'Joseph L. Brunner'; 'Thomas Perrier'; 'Terry Tender'
> > Cc: 'ccielab_at_groupstudy.com'
> > Subject: RE: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
> >
> > Cisco audits include simple things like checking the LinkedIn page of a
> CCIE. I have seen this happen. But, I have also seen the contracts used
> to do Rent-a-certs and there are some good ones out there that seem to
> protect the CCIE, it's the channel that then suffers instead. Off-line if
> you want to discuss I am available. Protect your number because it cost
> too much to lose for the pittance paid for it's use.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Joseph L. Brunner
> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:35 PM
> > To: Thomas Perrier; Terry Tender
> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: RE: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
> >
> > That's impossible to prove...
> >
> > Dozens of CCIE's who work for big banks, govt, etc and are not
> Affiliated with a partner have always done for this extra cash...
> >
> > Partner's often can't stay competitive and keep up gold, silver and
> other thetan levels withour stunt c*ck CCIE's on their payroll..
> >
> > If a partner is audited they can just state the CCIE's works 40 hours
> remote and 2 hours a week at customer meetings... most consultant firms are
> setup that way anyway - no worries...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nobody_at_groupstudy.com [mailto:nobody_at_groupstudy.com] On Behalf Of
> Thomas Perrier
> > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2012 2:35 PM
> > To: Terry Tender
> > Cc: ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
> > Subject: Re: OT: Part time Cisco work with CCIE Number
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Terry Tender <terry.tender_at_gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> A CCIE who is doing online work unrelated to Cisco, wants to do
> >> part-time consultancy/pre-sales and wants to attach their CCIE number
> >> with a Cisco partner. Can anyone recommend how/where he can look?
> > Cisco partner rules state a CCIE must work for full time for a partner
> for the latter to use the former's number.
> >
> > -Thomas
> >
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