Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India

From: Thameem Maranveetil Parambath <security.goodie_at_gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 10:22:52 +0400

Hello all,

Just opened my email account after long period (more than a year i think)
for restarting my ccie prep.. At first glance, this thread came to my
notice! Do I need to waste my time ;) ?

I have seen many who tried with these real labs , but finally has to pass
through strict study methods only (after 5 year he recently got his number!)

Anyways, its a real shame to cisco to keep this CCIE title vulnerable..

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <alexeim73_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> Well, it is not as easy to build "a diversity of labs" with short
> resources at hand. Most of the times program managers are working on
> building the labs themselves, picking tasks from SMEs here and there and
> compiling the lab overlay.
>
> Another point is what can Cisco actually incriminate to those off-shore
> companies? Should those companies to choose to remove the word "real
> labs" from their adds, it is just a study content and with finite amount
> of knowledge included, it would be quite finite number of tasks you can
> think of wording for the lab. My workbooks are very close to what you
> have on your tests, so what? "/I am/ but a young /girl/ and know little
> of the /ways of war/." :-) But I think it is VERY hard to fight those
> off-shore companies as efficiently as one could hope to.
>
> So Cisco should probably change the whole approach to the expert-level
> test and make it more academic, more analytical, less
> configuration-oriented.... just a thought.
>
> A.
>
>
> On 7/12/2012 12:18 AM, Imran Ali wrote:
> > No need to hire a team to start monitoring the process.
> > Cant they write more than few labs so that it becomes impossible to
> > remember ?
> > cant they (program managers) write atleast 5 labs per location ? and
> > then starts mixing them every two weeks ? which "cheeting " company
> > can afford to send their candidates to learn the senario in every
> > location ?
> > can they (cheeters) reproduce labs which such a diversity ? is it
> > that much difficult to write down " straight forward " lab free of "
> > wording uncertinity / ambiguity " ?
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi
> > <alexeim73_at_gmail.com <mailto:alexeim73_at_gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > As far as CCIE program managers per track go, they are fully aware
> > of cheating problem. My understanding that they re quite limited
> > in resources, 1-2 persons per track. In large organizations like
> > Cisco it is hard to get the wheels spinning in right direction if
> > you are pushing a cart on your own.
> >
> > Certification is a good side business for Cisco, but it is not a
> > core business.
> >
> > A.
> >
> >
> > On 7/7/2012 4:10 PM, Muhammad Nasim wrote:
> >> OK OK guys,
> >>
> >> Instead of Bashing Cisco Systems we are going here and their.
> >>
> >> My only point is that, we all know how big Cisco is and I am sure
> if and
> >> only if Cisco take it seriously they can easily kill this cheating
> issue.
> >>
> >> BTW, Anyone get a chance to openly discuss this is Cisco Live and
> any other
> >> Cisco Educational Event.
> >>
> >> Peace to All
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Ovais Iqbal<ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>
> <mailto:ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Imran,
> >>>
> >>> I am sure you are right about narbik since i have heard alot of
> >>> good things about him. I was just giving my point of view that
> dumps are
> >>> available to everyone. And no one is in the position to tell that
> who used
> >>> it
> >>> and who didnt.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> @Narbik, dont be angry, i was'nt claiming that you cheated.
> >>> This would be very impolite and disrespectful. But if you did take
> it
> >>> offensive then my sincere apologies. I hope no hard feelings
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Imran Ali<immrccie_at_gmail.com> <mailto:immrccie_at_gmail.com>
> >>> To:
> >>> Narbik Kocharians<narbikk_at_gmail.com> <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >>> Cc: Ovais Iqbal
> >>> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> <mailto:ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>; Dale
> Shaw<dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> <mailto:dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>; Marko
> >>> Milivojevic
> >>> <markom_at_ipexpert.com> <mailto:markom_at_ipexpert.com>;"
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:58 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: Groupbuy for passccielab
> >>> in India
> >>>
> >>> Iqbal,
> >>>
> >>> you can doubt that most of narbik students cheeted all the
> >>> way up to ccie ,
> >>> but not narbik itself , i can tell this because he work
> >>> reflect through
> >>> knowledge in RnS areana .
> >>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:26 PM,
> >>> Narbik Kocharians<narbikk_at_gmail.com> <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Iqbal,
> >>>>
> >>>> *Sir everything is
> >>> ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes the
> >>>> lab, cant prove
> >>> that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you *
> >>>> When i took the lab, we
> >>> did not have real labs or any other crap like that,
> >>>> so please do not EVEN
> >>> mention that, not even as an example, NEVER. You do
> >>>> not know me well enough.
> >>>>
> >>>> Have a good day sir.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Ovais Iqbal
> >>> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> <mailto:ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Dear Narbik,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dont take it
> >>> offensive but were you there with your students 24/7 in
> >>>> their
> >>>>> lives ? i
> >>> mean how can you be so sure that they didnt use any of the real
> >>>>> labs out
> >>> there ? just because they are hardworking and they performed
> >>>> well
> >>>>> in
> >>> your bootcamp/mock labs still leaves the fear that what if we fail
> the
> >>>>> lab
> >>> ? I am not saying your students (the one you mentioned) cheated but
> >>>>> sorry
> >>> there is no way they can ever prove they didnt. Period.
> >>>>> Now, as you
> >>> mentioned that they will surely be spotted in interview or
> >>>>> during their
> >>> job tasks ? Sorry but you are wrong here too. I know 3
> >>>>> engineers (my
> >>> fellow country man) whose resumes are by far most
> >>>> impressive
> >>>>> then many
> >>> so called GENUINE CCIEs, and they know their stuff. One of the
> >>>>> DUMPER (one
> >>> of these 3 guys) were interviewed by a pannel of 7 ppl (with
> >>>>> couple ccie's
> >>> among them) and he got selected. But he was a dumper !! so
> >>>>> where does your
> >>> theory goes now that he wont perform in the real life ?
> >>>> and
> >>>>> he was also
> >>> your student, cant take his name for obvious reasons now.
> >>>>> Sir
> >>> everything is ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes
> >>>> the
> >>> lab, cant prove that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you :-)
> >>> Guys, this discussion has been raised so many times and everyone
> start
> >>> jumping in, claiming (indirectly almost) that they or their
> students
> >>>> never
> >>>>
> >>>> cheated or they dont even know that real labs exist.
> >>>>> No offense to
> >>> anyone :-)
> >>>>> ------------------------------
> >>>>> *From:* Narbik
> >>> Kocharians<narbikk_at_gmail.com> <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>> *To:* Dale Shaw<dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> <mailto:
> dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>
> >>> *Cc:* Marko Milivojevic<markom_at_ipexpert.com> <mailto:
> markom_at_ipexpert.com>;"ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <mailto:
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> >>>> <
> >>>>
> >>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com <mailto:ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>>
> >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:42 AM
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India
> >>>>> One of my students
> >>> proved to me that this guy is from India and he did
> >>>>> cheat in his written
> >>> exam, apparently he proudly mentioned it in one of
> >>>> his
> >>>>> posts in this
> >>> particular forum.
> >>>>> That is bad, this can make anyone angry. But please
> >>> don't be
> >>>> disappointed,
> >>>>> there are cheaters every where, but these guys do
> >>> not last long, because
> >>>>> sooner or later they have to find a job and they
> >>> will not be able to
> >>>>> perform at a CCIE level.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Two of my students
> >>> passed recently without cheating at all:
> >>>>> *Kevin Huff #**35841*
> >>>>> *Amrik
> >>> Singh #35824*".
> >>>>> These guys worked very hard, if you work hard you
> >>> will succeed, you don't
> >>>>> need to cheat at all.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012
> >>> at 8:17 PM, Narbik Kocharians<narbikk_at_gmail.com> <mailto:
> narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> How do
> >>> you know that this guy is from India, China or Russia?
> >>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Dale Shaw<dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
> <mailto:dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi Narbik,
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Narbik
> >>> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com <mailto:narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Marko,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>> Don't be tired of hearing the truth, first of all how do you
> know
> >>> where
> >>>>>>>> they are coming from?
> >>>>>>> Surely you're not
> >>> suggesting that there is no pattern in the origin of
> >>>>>>> the names of
> >>> people posting questions relating to dodgy CCIE
> >>>>>>> preparation material.
> >>> Surely.
> >>>>>>>> To name three countries with such conviction, means
> >>>>>>> that you know for sure. Remember that you need to be 100
> percent
> >>> sure,
> >>>>>>>> besides, how do you know where they are being sold? Just
> >>> because the
> >>>>>>> guys
> >>>>>>>> name is Vikas it does not mean that it's
> >>> being sold in India, the
> >>>>> person
> >>>>>>>> might be Indian but he could be
> >>> selling them from another country.
> >>>>>>> Maybe, but how long do you
> >>> think the crooks would stay in business if
> >>>>>>> there is no demand? Kill the
> >>> demand in their biggest markets and you
> >>>>>>> destroy the viability of their
> >>> business.
> >>>>>>>> How do you differentiate an Indian name from a
> >>> Pakistani name?
> >>>>>>> Would you be happier with "Indian subcontinent"?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>> Dale
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>>
> >>> *Narbik Kocharians
> >>>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
> >>>>>>
> >>> *www.MicronicsTraining.com <http://www.MicronicsTraining.com>*<
> http://www.micronicstraining.com/> <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
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> >>> Technical Instructor
> >>>>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
> >>>>>> A Cisco
> >>> Learning Partner
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> *Narbik Kocharians
> >>>>>
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