Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India

What an awesome video - thanks for sharing.

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On Jul 11, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Tony Singh wrote:

> The best reply from Kevin Wallace here
>
> http://youtu.be/ay2kXsHgirw
>
> --
> BR
>
> Tony CCNP CCNA R&S JNCIS-SEC MCSE
>
> Sent from my iPhone on 3
>
> On 11 Jul 2012, at 15:18, Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> No need to hire a team to start monitoring the process.
>>
>> Cant they write more than few labs so that it becomes impossible to
>> remember ?
>>
>> cant they (program managers) write atleast 5 labs per location ? and then
>> starts mixing them every two weeks ? which "cheeting " company can afford
>> to send their candidates to learn the senario in every location ?
>>
>> can they (cheeters) reproduce labs which such a diversity ? is it that
>> much difficult to write down " straight forward " lab free of " wording
>> uncertinity / ambiguity " ?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi
> <alexeim73_at_gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> As far as CCIE program managers per track go, they are fully aware of
>>> cheating problem. My understanding that they re quite limited in
> resources,
>>> 1-2 persons per track. In large organizations like Cisco it is hard to get
>>> the wheels spinning in right direction if you are pushing a cart on your
>>> own.
>>>
>>> Certification is a good side business for Cisco, but it is not a core
>>> business.
>>>
>>> A.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/7/2012 4:10 PM, Muhammad Nasim wrote:
>>>
>>> OK OK guys,
>>>
>>> Instead of Bashing Cisco Systems we are going here and their.
>>>
>>> My only point is that, we all know how big Cisco is and I am sure if and
>>> only if Cisco take it seriously they can easily kill this cheating issue.
>>>
>>> BTW, Anyone get a chance to openly discuss this is Cisco Live and any
> other
>>> Cisco Educational Event.
>>>
>>> Peace to All
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Ovais Iqbal <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>
> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Imran,
>>>
>>> I am sure you are right about narbik since i have heard alot of
>>> good things about him. I was just giving my point of view that dumps are
>>> available to everyone. And no one is in the position to tell that who used
>>> it
>>> and who didnt.
>>>
>>>
>>> @Narbik, dont be angry, i was'nt claiming that you cheated.
>>> This would be very impolite and disrespectful. But if you did take it
>>> offensive then my sincere apologies. I hope no hard feelings
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com> <immrccie_at_gmail.com>
>>> To:
>>> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Ovais Iqbal<ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>; Dale Shaw
> <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>; Marko
>>> Milivojevic<markom_at_ipexpert.com> <markom_at_ipexpert.com>;
> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:58 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Groupbuy for passccielab
>>> in India
>>>
>>> Iqbal,
>>>
>>> you can doubt that most of narbik students cheeted all the
>>> way up to ccie ,
>>> but not narbik itself , i can tell this because he work
>>> reflect through
>>> knowledge in RnS areana .
>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:26 PM,
>>> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Iqbal,
>>>
>>> *Sir everything is
>>>
>>> ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes the
>>>
>>> lab, cant prove
>>>
>>> that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you *
>>>
>>> When i took the lab, we
>>>
>>> did not have real labs or any other crap like that,
>>>
>>> so please do not EVEN
>>>
>>> mention that, not even as an example, NEVER. You do
>>>
>>> not know me well enough.
>>>
>>> Have a good day sir.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Ovais Iqbal
>>>
>>> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Narbik,
>>>
>>> Dont take it
>>>
>>> offensive but were you there with your students 24/7 in
>>>
>>> their
>>>
>>> lives ? i
>>>
>>> mean how can you be so sure that they didnt use any of the real
>>>
>>> labs out
>>>
>>> there ? just because they are hardworking and they performed
>>>
>>> well
>>>
>>> in
>>>
>>> your bootcamp/mock labs still leaves the fear that what if we fail the
>>>
>>> lab
>>>
>>> ? I am not saying your students (the one you mentioned) cheated but
>>>
>>> sorry
>>>
>>> there is no way they can ever prove they didnt. Period.
>>>
>>> Now, as you
>>>
>>> mentioned that they will surely be spotted in interview or
>>>
>>> during their
>>>
>>> job tasks ? Sorry but you are wrong here too. I know 3
>>>
>>> engineers (my
>>>
>>> fellow country man) whose resumes are by far most
>>>
>>> impressive
>>>
>>> then many
>>>
>>> so called GENUINE CCIEs, and they know their stuff. One of the
>>>
>>> DUMPER (one
>>>
>>> of these 3 guys) were interviewed by a pannel of 7 ppl (with
>>>
>>> couple ccie's
>>>
>>> among them) and he got selected. But he was a dumper !! so
>>>
>>> where does your
>>>
>>> theory goes now that he wont perform in the real life ?
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> he was also
>>>
>>> your student, cant take his name for obvious reasons now.
>>>
>>> Sir
>>>
>>> everything is ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes
>>>
>>> the
>>>
>>> lab, cant prove that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you :-)
>>>
>>> Guys, this discussion has been raised so many times and everyone start
>>>
>>> jumping in, claiming (indirectly almost) that they or their students
>>>
>>> never
>>>
>>> cheated or they dont even know that real labs exist.
>>>
>>> No offense to
>>>
>>> anyone :-)
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Narbik
>>>
>>> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>>
>>> *To:* Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
>>>
>>> *Cc:* Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com> <markom_at_ipexpert.com>;
> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>
>>> <
>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:42 AM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India
>>>
>>> One of my students
>>>
>>> proved to me that this guy is from India and he did
>>>
>>> cheat in his written
>>>
>>> exam, apparently he proudly mentioned it in one of
>>>
>>> his
>>>
>>> posts in this
>>>
>>> particular forum.
>>>
>>> That is bad, this can make anyone angry. But please
>>>
>>> don't be
>>>
>>> disappointed,
>>>
>>> there are cheaters every where, but these guys do
>>>
>>> not last long, because
>>>
>>> sooner or later they have to find a job and they
>>>
>>> will not be able to
>>>
>>> perform at a CCIE level.
>>>
>>> Two of my students
>>>
>>> passed recently without cheating at all:
>>>
>>> *Kevin Huff #**35841*
>>> *Amrik
>>>
>>> Singh #35824*".
>>>
>>> These guys worked very hard, if you work hard you
>>>
>>> will succeed, you don't
>>>
>>> need to cheat at all.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012
>>>
>>> at 8:17 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> How do
>>>
>>> you know that this guy is from India, China or Russia?
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
> <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Narbik,
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Narbik
>>>
>>> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Marko,
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't be tired of hearing the truth, first of all how do you know
>>>
>>> where
>>>
>>> they are coming from?
>>>
>>> Surely you're not
>>>
>>> suggesting that there is no pattern in the origin of
>>>
>>> the names of
>>>
>>> people posting questions relating to dodgy CCIE
>>>
>>> preparation material.
>>>
>>> Surely.
>>>
>>> To name three countries with such conviction, means
>>>
>>> that you know for sure. Remember that you need to be 100 percent
>>>
>>> sure,
>>>
>>> besides, how do you know where they are being sold? Just
>>>
>>> because the
>>>
>>> guys
>>>
>>> name is Vikas it does not mean that it's
>>>
>>> being sold in India, the
>>>
>>> person
>>>
>>> might be Indian but he could be
>>>
>>> selling them from another country.
>>>
>>> Maybe, but how long do you
>>>
>>> think the crooks would stay in business if
>>>
>>> there is no demand? Kill the
>>>
>>> demand in their biggest markets and you
>>>
>>> destroy the viability of their
>>>
>>> business.
>>>
>>> How do you differentiate an Indian name from a
>>>
>>> Pakistani name?
>>>
>>> Would you be happier with "Indian subcontinent"?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Dale
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> *Narbik Kocharians
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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