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-- BR Tony CCNP CCNA R&S JNCIS-SEC MCSE Sent from my iPhone on 3 On 11 Jul 2012, at 15:18, Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com> wrote: > No need to hire a team to start monitoring the process. > > Cant they write more than few labs so that it becomes impossible to > remember ? > > cant they (program managers) write atleast 5 labs per location ? and then > starts mixing them every two weeks ? which "cheeting " company can afford > to send their candidates to learn the senario in every location ? > > can they (cheeters) reproduce labs which such a diversity ? is it that > much difficult to write down " straight forward " lab free of " wording > uncertinity / ambiguity " ? > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <alexeim73_at_gmail.com>wrote: > >> As far as CCIE program managers per track go, they are fully aware of >> cheating problem. My understanding that they re quite limited in resources, >> 1-2 persons per track. In large organizations like Cisco it is hard to get >> the wheels spinning in right direction if you are pushing a cart on your >> own. >> >> Certification is a good side business for Cisco, but it is not a core >> business. >> >> A. >> >> >> On 7/7/2012 4:10 PM, Muhammad Nasim wrote: >> >> OK OK guys, >> >> Instead of Bashing Cisco Systems we are going here and their. >> >> My only point is that, we all know how big Cisco is and I am sure if and >> only if Cisco take it seriously they can easily kill this cheating issue. >> >> BTW, Anyone get a chance to openly discuss this is Cisco Live and any other >> Cisco Educational Event. >> >> Peace to All >> >> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Ovais Iqbal <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> >> Dear Imran, >> >> I am sure you are right about narbik since i have heard alot of >> good things about him. I was just giving my point of view that dumps are >> available to everyone. And no one is in the position to tell that who used >> it >> and who didnt. >> >> >> @Narbik, dont be angry, i was'nt claiming that you cheated. >> This would be very impolite and disrespectful. But if you did take it >> offensive then my sincere apologies. I hope no hard feelings >> ________________________________ >> From: Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com> <immrccie_at_gmail.com> >> To: >> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> <narbikk_at_gmail.com> >> Cc: Ovais Iqbal<ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>; Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>; Marko >> Milivojevic<markom_at_ipexpert.com> <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:58 PM >> Subject: Re: Groupbuy for passccielab >> in India >> >> Iqbal, >> >> you can doubt that most of narbik students cheeted all the >> way up to ccie , >> but not narbik itself , i can tell this because he work >> reflect through >> knowledge in RnS areana . >> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:26 PM, >> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Iqbal, >> >> *Sir everything is >> >> ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes the >> >> lab, cant prove >> >> that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you * >> >> When i took the lab, we >> >> did not have real labs or any other crap like that, >> >> so please do not EVEN >> >> mention that, not even as an example, NEVER. You do >> >> not know me well enough. >> >> Have a good day sir. >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Ovais Iqbal >> >> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Dear Narbik, >> >> Dont take it >> >> offensive but were you there with your students 24/7 in >> >> their >> >> lives ? i >> >> mean how can you be so sure that they didnt use any of the real >> >> labs out >> >> there ? just because they are hardworking and they performed >> >> well >> >> in >> >> your bootcamp/mock labs still leaves the fear that what if we fail the >> >> lab >> >> ? I am not saying your students (the one you mentioned) cheated but >> >> sorry >> >> there is no way they can ever prove they didnt. Period. >> >> Now, as you >> >> mentioned that they will surely be spotted in interview or >> >> during their >> >> job tasks ? Sorry but you are wrong here too. I know 3 >> >> engineers (my >> >> fellow country man) whose resumes are by far most >> >> impressive >> >> then many >> >> so called GENUINE CCIEs, and they know their stuff. One of the >> >> DUMPER (one >> >> of these 3 guys) were interviewed by a pannel of 7 ppl (with >> >> couple ccie's >> >> among them) and he got selected. But he was a dumper !! so >> >> where does your >> >> theory goes now that he wont perform in the real life ? >> >> and >> >> he was also >> >> your student, cant take his name for obvious reasons now. >> >> Sir >> >> everything is ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes >> >> the >> >> lab, cant prove that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you :-) >> >> Guys, this discussion has been raised so many times and everyone start >> >> jumping in, claiming (indirectly almost) that they or their students >> >> never >> >> cheated or they dont even know that real labs exist. >> >> No offense to >> >> anyone :-) >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Narbik >> >> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> <narbikk_at_gmail.com> >> >> *To:* Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> >> >> *Cc:* Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com> <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> >> >> < >> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:42 AM >> >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India >> >> One of my students >> >> proved to me that this guy is from India and he did >> >> cheat in his written >> >> exam, apparently he proudly mentioned it in one of >> >> his >> >> posts in this >> >> particular forum. >> >> That is bad, this can make anyone angry. But please >> >> don't be >> >> disappointed, >> >> there are cheaters every where, but these guys do >> >> not last long, because >> >> sooner or later they have to find a job and they >> >> will not be able to >> >> perform at a CCIE level. >> >> Two of my students >> >> passed recently without cheating at all: >> >> *Kevin Huff #**35841* >> *Amrik >> >> Singh #35824*". >> >> These guys worked very hard, if you work hard you >> >> will succeed, you don't >> >> need to cheat at all. >> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 >> >> at 8:17 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> <narbikk_at_gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> How do >> >> you know that this guy is from India, China or Russia? >> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Narbik, >> >> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Narbik >> >> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com >> >> wrote: >> >> Marko, >> >> >> Don't be tired of hearing the truth, first of all how do you know >> >> where >> >> they are coming from? >> >> Surely you're not >> >> suggesting that there is no pattern in the origin of >> >> the names of >> >> people posting questions relating to dodgy CCIE >> >> preparation material. >> >> Surely. >> >> To name three countries with such conviction, means >> >> that you know for sure. Remember that you need to be 100 percent >> >> sure, >> >> besides, how do you know where they are being sold? Just >> >> because the >> >> guys >> >> name is Vikas it does not mean that it's >> >> being sold in India, the >> >> person >> >> might be Indian but he could be >> >> selling them from another country. >> >> Maybe, but how long do you >> >> think the crooks would stay in business if >> >> there is no demand? Kill the >> >> demand in their biggest markets and you >> >> destroy the viability of their >> >> business. >> >> How do you differentiate an Indian name from a >> >> Pakistani name? >> >> Would you be happier with "Indian subcontinent"? >> >> Cheers, >> Dale >> >> >> -- >> >> >> *Narbik Kocharians >> >> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security) >> >> >> *www.MicronicsTraining.com* <http://www.micronicstraining.com/> <http://www.micronicstraining.com/> >> >> Sr. >> >> Technical Instructor >> >> YES! 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