Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India

No need to hire a team to start monitoring the process.

Cant they write more than few labs so that it becomes impossible to
remember ?

cant they (program managers) write atleast 5 labs per location ? and then
starts mixing them every two weeks ? which "cheeting " company can afford
to send their candidates to learn the senario in every location ?

can they (cheeters) reproduce labs which such a diversity ? is it that
much difficult to write down " straight forward " lab free of " wording
uncertinity / ambiguity " ?

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 3:07 AM, Alexei Monastyrnyi <alexeim73_at_gmail.com>wrote:

> As far as CCIE program managers per track go, they are fully aware of
> cheating problem. My understanding that they re quite limited in resources,
> 1-2 persons per track. In large organizations like Cisco it is hard to get
> the wheels spinning in right direction if you are pushing a cart on your
> own.
>
> Certification is a good side business for Cisco, but it is not a core
> business.
>
> A.
>
>
> On 7/7/2012 4:10 PM, Muhammad Nasim wrote:
>
> OK OK guys,
>
> Instead of Bashing Cisco Systems we are going here and their.
>
> My only point is that, we all know how big Cisco is and I am sure if and
> only if Cisco take it seriously they can easily kill this cheating issue.
>
> BTW, Anyone get a chance to openly discuss this is Cisco Live and any other
> Cisco Educational Event.
>
> Peace to All
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Ovais Iqbal <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Imran,
>
> I am sure you are right about narbik since i have heard alot of
> good things about him. I was just giving my point of view that dumps are
> available to everyone. And no one is in the position to tell that who used
> it
> and who didnt.
>
>
> @Narbik, dont be angry, i was'nt claiming that you cheated.
> This would be very impolite and disrespectful. But if you did take it
> offensive then my sincere apologies. I hope no hard feelings
> ________________________________
> From: Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com> <immrccie_at_gmail.com>
> To:
> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> Cc: Ovais Iqbal<ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>; Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>; Marko
> Milivojevic<markom_at_ipexpert.com> <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:58 PM
> Subject: Re: Groupbuy for passccielab
> in India
>
> Iqbal,
>
> you can doubt that most of narbik students cheeted all the
> way up to ccie ,
> but not narbik itself , i can tell this because he work
> reflect through
> knowledge in RnS areana .
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:26 PM,
> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Iqbal,
>
> *Sir everything is
>
> ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes the
>
> lab, cant prove
>
> that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you *
>
> When i took the lab, we
>
> did not have real labs or any other crap like that,
>
> so please do not EVEN
>
> mention that, not even as an example, NEVER. You do
>
> not know me well enough.
>
> Have a good day sir.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Ovais Iqbal
>
> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
> Dear Narbik,
>
> Dont take it
>
> offensive but were you there with your students 24/7 in
>
> their
>
> lives ? i
>
> mean how can you be so sure that they didnt use any of the real
>
> labs out
>
> there ? just because they are hardworking and they performed
>
> well
>
> in
>
> your bootcamp/mock labs still leaves the fear that what if we fail the
>
> lab
>
> ? I am not saying your students (the one you mentioned) cheated but
>
> sorry
>
> there is no way they can ever prove they didnt. Period.
>
> Now, as you
>
> mentioned that they will surely be spotted in interview or
>
> during their
>
> job tasks ? Sorry but you are wrong here too. I know 3
>
> engineers (my
>
> fellow country man) whose resumes are by far most
>
> impressive
>
> then many
>
> so called GENUINE CCIEs, and they know their stuff. One of the
>
> DUMPER (one
>
> of these 3 guys) were interviewed by a pannel of 7 ppl (with
>
> couple ccie's
>
> among them) and he got selected. But he was a dumper !! so
>
> where does your
>
> theory goes now that he wont perform in the real life ?
>
> and
>
> he was also
>
> your student, cant take his name for obvious reasons now.
>
> Sir
>
> everything is ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes
>
> the
>
> lab, cant prove that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you :-)
>
> Guys, this discussion has been raised so many times and everyone start
>
> jumping in, claiming (indirectly almost) that they or their students
>
> never
>
> cheated or they dont even know that real labs exist.
>
> No offense to
>
> anyone :-)
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Narbik
>
> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>
> *To:* Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
>
> *Cc:* Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com> <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>
> <
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:42 AM
>
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India
>
> One of my students
>
> proved to me that this guy is from India and he did
>
> cheat in his written
>
> exam, apparently he proudly mentioned it in one of
>
> his
>
> posts in this
>
> particular forum.
>
> That is bad, this can make anyone angry. But please
>
> don't be
>
> disappointed,
>
> there are cheaters every where, but these guys do
>
> not last long, because
>
> sooner or later they have to find a job and they
>
> will not be able to
>
> perform at a CCIE level.
>
> Two of my students
>
> passed recently without cheating at all:
>
> *Kevin Huff #**35841*
> *Amrik
>
> Singh #35824*".
>
> These guys worked very hard, if you work hard you
>
> will succeed, you don't
>
> need to cheat at all.
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012
>
> at 8:17 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
>
> How do
>
> you know that this guy is from India, China or Russia?
>
> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Narbik,
>
> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Narbik
>
> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
>
> wrote:
>
> Marko,
>
>
> Don't be tired of hearing the truth, first of all how do you know
>
> where
>
> they are coming from?
>
> Surely you're not
>
> suggesting that there is no pattern in the origin of
>
> the names of
>
> people posting questions relating to dodgy CCIE
>
> preparation material.
>
> Surely.
>
> To name three countries with such conviction, means
>
> that you know for sure. Remember that you need to be 100 percent
>
> sure,
>
> besides, how do you know where they are being sold? Just
>
> because the
>
> guys
>
> name is Vikas it does not mean that it's
>
> being sold in India, the
>
> person
>
> might be Indian but he could be
>
> selling them from another country.
>
> Maybe, but how long do you
>
> think the crooks would stay in business if
>
> there is no demand? Kill the
>
> demand in their biggest markets and you
>
> destroy the viability of their
>
> business.
>
> How do you differentiate an Indian name from a
>
> Pakistani name?
>
> Would you be happier with "Indian subcontinent"?
>
> Cheers,
> Dale
>
>
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>
>
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>
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