Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India

This topic is certainly ready to be retired, won't change and no use beating a
dead horse.

________________________________
 From: Ahmed Salim
<ahmedsalim_at_gmail.com>
To: Yuvaraj H <yuvaraj_at_live.in>
Cc:
"<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 10,
2012 10:17 PM
Subject: Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India
 
Why is it hard
for ppl to believe that Cisco is doing nothing about it ? With these labs it
enables more and more ppl to attempt the exams. I know many many ppl who just
have ccna level knowledge of networking, brute forcing the CCIE giving attempt
after attempt using these dumps.

At the end of the day, cisco is business.
The bottom line matters. Hundreds of candidates attempting these exams on a
daily basis is just a cash cow for cisco.

Its out there in the open. Anyone
can buy them online. Its not hidden or difficult to get your hands on them.
Cisco hasnt changed its CCIE security exam in ages. Yes its difficult to do
so. But to curb this menace, this is the least cisco can do. They can start
investigations. They can question employees, test centers , websites. They can
hire lawyers to stop this. Its been rampant for years now, and no concrete
step has been taken by cisco to do anything about it.

It shouldnt hurt
anyone's ego or self-respect to accept certain facts. I myself have questioned
cisco on this, and they have no plans on doing anything about it.

Ahmed
Sent from my iPhone

On 10 Jul 2012, at 06:53, Yuvaraj H <yuvaraj_at_live.in>
wrote:

>> Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 06:04:07 -0700
>> From:
ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com
>> Subject: Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India
>>
To: immrccie_at_gmail.com; narbikk_at_gmail.com
>> CC: dale.shaw_at_gmail.com;
markom_at_ipexpert.com; ccielab_at_groupstudy.com
>>
>> Dear Imran,
>>
>> I am
sure you are right about narbik since i have heard alot of
>> good things
about him. I was just giving my point of view that dumps are
>> available to
everyone. And no one is in the position to tell that who used
> it
>> and who
didnt.
>>
>>
>> @Narbik, dont be angry, i was'nt claiming that you cheated.
>> This would be very impolite and disrespectful. But if you did take it
>>
offensive then my sincere apologies. I hope no hard feelings
>>
________________________________
>> From: Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com>
>>
To:
>> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>> Cc: Ovais Iqbal
>>
<ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>; Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>; Marko
> Milivojevic
>> <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>
Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: Groupbuy for
passccielab
>> in India
>>
>> Iqbal,
>>
>> you can doubt that most of narbik
students cheeted all the
>> way up to ccie ,
>> but not narbik itself , i can
tell this because he work
>> reflect through
>> knowledge in RnS areana .
>>
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:26 PM,
>> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> Iqbal,
>>>
>>> *Sir everything is
>> ambiguous and blurred
now-a-days. Any one who passes the
>>> lab, cant prove
>> that they didnt use
the real labs. Not even you *
>>>
>>> When i took the lab, we
>> did not have
real labs or any other crap like that,
>>> so please do not EVEN
>> mention
that, not even as an example, NEVER. You do
>>> not know me well enough.
>>>
>>> Have a good day sir.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Ovais
Iqbal
>> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Narbik,
>>>>
>>>>
Dont take it
>> offensive but were you there with your students 24/7 in
>>>
their
>>>> lives ? i
>> mean how can you be so sure that they didnt use any of
the real
>>>> labs out
>> there ? just because they are hardworking and they
performed
>>> well
>>>> in
>> your bootcamp/mock labs still leaves the fear
that what if we fail the
>>>> lab
>> ? I am not saying your students (the one
you mentioned) cheated but
>>>> sorry
>> there is no way they can ever prove
they didnt. Period.
>>>>
>>>> Now, as you
>> mentioned that they will surely
be spotted in interview or
>>>> during their
>> job tasks ? Sorry but you are
wrong here too. I know 3
>>>> engineers (my
>> fellow country man) whose
resumes are by far most
>>> impressive
>>>> then many
>> so called GENUINE
CCIEs, and they know their stuff. One of the
>>>> DUMPER (one
>> of these 3
guys) were interviewed by a pannel of 7 ppl (with
>>>> couple ccie's
>> among
them) and he got selected. But he was a dumper !! so
>>>> where does your
>>
theory goes now that he wont perform in the real life ?
>>> and
>>>> he was
also
>> your student, cant take his name for obvious reasons now.
>>>>
>>>>
Sir
>> everything is ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes
>>>
the
>>>>
>> lab, cant prove that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you
:-)
>>>>
>>>>
>> Guys, this discussion has been raised so many times and
everyone start
>>>>
>> jumping in, claiming (indirectly almost) that they or
their students
>>> never
>>>
>>> cheated or they dont even know that real
labs exist.
>>>>
>>>> No offense to
>> anyone :-)
>>>>
>>>>
------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Narbik
>> Kocharians
<narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
>>>>
>> *Cc:*
Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
>>> <
>>>
>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:42 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India
>>>>
>>>> One of my
students
>> proved to me that this guy is from India and he did
>>>> cheat in
his written
>> exam, apparently he proudly mentioned it in one of
>>> his
>>>>
posts in this
>> particular forum.
>>>>
>>>> That is bad, this can make
anyone angry. But please
>> don't be
>>> disappointed,
>>>> there are cheaters
every where, but these guys do
>> not last long, because
>>>> sooner or later
they have to find a job and they
>> will not be able to
>>>> perform at a CCIE
level.
>>>>
>>>> Two of my students
>> passed recently without cheating at
all:
>>>> *Kevin Huff #**35841*
>>>> *Amrik
>> Singh #35824*".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> These guys worked very hard, if you work hard you
>> will succeed, you
don't
>>>> need to cheat at all.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012
>> at 8:17 PM,
Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How do
>> you
know that this guy is from India, China or Russia?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> Hi Narbik,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM,
Narbik
>> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Marko,
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Don't be tired of hearing the truth, first of all how do
you know
>>>>
>> where
>>>>>>> they are coming from?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Surely
you're not
>> suggesting that there is no pattern in the origin of
>>>>>> the
names of
>> people posting questions relating to dodgy CCIE
>>>>>> preparation
material.
>> Surely.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To name three countries with such
conviction, means
>>>
>>>>>> that you know for sure. Remember that you need
to be 100 percent
>>>
>> sure,
>>>>>>> besides, how do you know where they
are being sold? Just
>> because the
>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>> name is Vikas it does
not mean that it's
>> being sold in India, the
>>>> person
>>>>>>> might be
Indian but he could be
>> selling them from another country.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
Maybe, but how long do you
>> think the crooks would stay in business if
>>>>>> there is no demand? Kill the
>> demand in their biggest markets and you
>>>>>> destroy the viability of their
>> business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you
differentiate an Indian name from a
>> Pakistani name?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would
you be happier with "Indian subcontinent"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>> *Narbik Kocharians
>>>>>
*CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>>>
>>
*www.MicronicsTraining.com* <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>>>
>>>>>
Sr.
>> Technical Instructor
>>>>> YES! We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>>>> A
Cisco
>> Learning Partner
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Narbik
Kocharians
>>>>
>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>>
*www.MicronicsTraining.com*
>> <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>>>
>>>>
Sr. Technical Instructor
>>>> YES!
>> We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>>> A
Cisco Learning Partner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Blogs
>> and organic groups at
http://www.ccie.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>
Received on Wed Jul 11 2012 - 03:43:13 ART