Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India

The great thing about the Internet, specifically Google, is that it
remembers everything.... forever. Your post from four years ago. It
seems you have the "no offense" phrase as an email template.

So it's been four years... how's that CCIE SP coming along? I mean
you did say..." i think getting CCIE is not a challenge any more"

Humphrey

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Subject: CCIE, i wish to take a different path !
From: Ovais Iqbal <ovais.iqball_at_xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:43:47 -0700 (PDT)
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 Hi all, first of all i mean no disrespect to the gurus who are helping CCIEs a
lot, namely IE, IPexpert, Narbik and others,
mostly when i read the success stories, one point is present in all of them, x
months configuring the routers using x vendors workbooks, i just want to know
something very simple, can some one pass the lab without these workbooks ? can
someone suggest me a path that i shall take if i dont want to use any of the
vendors ? right now i think getting CCIE is not a challenge any more, no
offense, but thats the truth, look around and you will see a hell lot increase
in the production of CCIE as never seen before, i know more and more ppl are
inclined towards it but i think the real challenge is to take the lab without
using any of the workbooks, ( again no offense to the latest CCIEs, i respect
them all :-) ),

Is there anyone who took the lab without using any vendors, can he/she shed
some light on his/her preparation ??

Thanks
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On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Ovais Iqbal <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
> Oh why are you so angry :-)
>
> i think a person screams when we hit his weak
> spot ? was that the case with you ;-)
>
> anyway, i will not be posting anymore
> on this stuff.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: qospf qospf
> <cisco.qospf_at_gmail.com>
> To: Ovais Iqbal <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>
> Cc: Narbik
> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
> <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 9:52 AM
> Subject: Re:
> Groupbuy for passccielab in India
>
>
> Ovais,
>
> just shut up man. And quit
> putting all those smiley faces. It's irritating.
>
> If they're ur fellow
> countrymen, then tell them to fear God...cuz He's watching them even if Cisco
> isn't.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Ovais Iqbal
> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Narbik,
>>
>>You passed the lab when
> almost everyone was passing :-) The real
>>labs were there. No matter how much
> you want to deny it, they were there.
>>
>>I
>>dont need to know you well enough
> to make this statement. Its just a matter of
>>fact. I am not saying you
> cheated, but you can never prove you didnt :-)
>>
>>No
>>offense narbik, this is
> the way it is
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>From: Narbik
> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>To: Ovais Iqbal
>><ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>
>>Cc:
> Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>; Marko
>>Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>;
> "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
>><ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 4,
> 2012 11:26 PM
>>Subject: Re:
>>
>>Groupbuy for passccielab in India
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Iqbal,
>>
>>Sir everything is ambiguous and
>>blurred now-a-days. Any one who
> passes the lab, cant prove that they didnt use
>>the real labs. Not even you
>>
>>
>>When i took the lab, we did not have real labs
>>or any other crap like
> that, so please do not EVEN mention that, not even as
>>an example, NEVER. You
> do not know me well enough.
>>
>>Have a good day sir.
>>On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at
> 11:12 AM, Ovais Iqbal <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Dear Narbik,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Dont take it offensive but were you there with your
>>students 24/7 in their
> lives ? i mean how can you be so sure that they didnt
>>use any of the real
> labs out there ? just because they are hardworking and
>>they performed well in
> your bootcamp/mock labs still leaves the fear that what
>>if we fail the lab ?
> I am not saying your students (the one you mentioned)
>>cheated but sorry there
> is no way they can ever prove they didnt. Period.
>>>
>>>
>>>Now, as you
> mentioned that they will surely be spotted in interview or during
>>their job
> tasks ? Sorry but you are wrong here too. I know 3 engineers (my
>>fellow
> country man) whose resumes are by far most impressive then many so
>>called
> GENUINE CCIEs, and they know their stuff. One of the DUMPER (one of
>>these 3
> guys) were interviewed by a pannel of 7 ppl (with couple ccie's among
>>them)
> and he got selected. But he was a dumper !! so where does your theory
>>goes
> now that he wont perform in the real life ? and he was also your student,
>>cant take his name for obvious reasons now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Sir everything is
> ambiguous
>>and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes the lab, cantprove that
> they didnt
>>
>>use the real labs. Not even you :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Guys, this
> discussion has been
>>raised so many times and everyone start jumping in,
> claiming (indirectly
>>almost) that they or their students never cheated or
> they dont even know that
>>real labs exist.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>No offense to anyone :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: Narbik Kocharians
>><narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>>To: Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
>>>Cc: Marko
>>Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
>><ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:42 AM
>>>
>>>Subject:
>>
>>Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India
>>>
>>>
>>>One of my students
> proved to me
>>that this guy is from India and he did
>>>cheat in his written
> exam, apparently
>>he proudly mentioned it in one of his
>>>posts in this
> particular forum.
>>>
>>>That
>>is bad, this can make anyone angry. But please
> don't be disappointed,
>>>there
>>are cheaters every where, but these guys do
> not last long, because
>>>sooner or
>>later they have to find a job and they
> will not be able to
>>>perform at a CCIE
>>level.
>>>
>>>Two of my students passed
> recently without cheating at all:
>>>*Kevin
>>Huff #**35841*
>>>*Amrik Singh
> #35824*".
>>>
>>>
>>>These guys worked very hard, if
>>you work hard you will
> succeed, you don't
>>>need to cheat at all.
>>>
>>>On Tue,
>>Jul 3, 2012 at 8:17
> PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How
>>do you know that
> this guy is from India, China or Russia?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue,
>>Jul 3, 2012
> at 7:50 PM,
>> Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>Narbik,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Narbik Kocharians
>><narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Marko,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Don't be tired of
>>hearing the truth,
> first of all how do you know where
>>>>> > they are coming
>>from?
>>>>>
>>>>>
> Surely you're not suggesting that there is no pattern in the
>>origin of
>>>>>
> the names of people posting questions relating to dodgy CCIE
>>>>>
>>preparation
> material. Surely.
>>>>>
>>>>> > To name three countries with such
>>conviction,
> means
>>>>> > that you know for sure. Remember that you need to be
>>100 percent
> sure,
>>>>> > besides, how do you know where they are being sold?
>>Just because
> the
>>>>> guys
>>>>> > name is Vikas it does not mean that it's being
>>sold in
> India, the person
>>>>> > might be Indian but he could be selling them
>>from
> another country.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe, but how long do you think the crooks
>>would
> stay in business if
>>>>> there is no demand? Kill the demand in their
>>biggest
> markets and you
>>>>> destroy the viability of their business.
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>How
> do you differentiate an Indian name from a Pakistani name?
>>>>>
>>>>> Would
>>you be happier with "Indian subcontinent"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Dale
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *Narbik Kocharians
>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S,
> SP, Security)
>>>> *www.MicronicsTraining.com*
> <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>>
>>>> Sr.
>>Technical Instructor
>>>> YES!
> We take Cisco Learning Credits!
>>>> A Cisco
>>Learning
>> Partner
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--
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>>>*CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410
>>(R&S, SP, Security)
>>>*www.MicronicsTraining.com*
>><http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>>
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> Technical Instructor
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>>>
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>>
>>
>>--
>>
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>>Kocharians
>>
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>>www.MicronicsTraining.com
>>
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>>YES! We take Cisco
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>>
>>
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