Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India

As far as CCIE program managers per track go, they are fully aware of
cheating problem. My understanding that they re quite limited in
resources, 1-2 persons per track. In large organizations like Cisco it
is hard to get the wheels spinning in right direction if you are pushing
a cart on your own.

Certification is a good side business for Cisco, but it is not a core
business.

A.

On 7/7/2012 4:10 PM, Muhammad Nasim wrote:
> OK OK guys,
>
> Instead of Bashing Cisco Systems we are going here and their.
>
> My only point is that, we all know how big Cisco is and I am sure if and
> only if Cisco take it seriously they can easily kill this cheating issue.
>
> BTW, Anyone get a chance to openly discuss this is Cisco Live and any other
> Cisco Educational Event.
>
> Peace to All
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Ovais Iqbal <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Imran,
>>
>> I am sure you are right about narbik since i have heard alot of
>> good things about him. I was just giving my point of view that dumps are
>> available to everyone. And no one is in the position to tell that who used
>> it
>> and who didnt.
>>
>>
>> @Narbik, dont be angry, i was'nt claiming that you cheated.
>> This would be very impolite and disrespectful. But if you did take it
>> offensive then my sincere apologies. I hope no hard feelings
>> ________________________________
>> From: Imran Ali <immrccie_at_gmail.com>
>> To:
>> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>> Cc: Ovais Iqbal
>> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>; Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>; Marko
>> Milivojevic
>> <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 11:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: Groupbuy for passccielab
>> in India
>>
>> Iqbal,
>>
>> you can doubt that most of narbik students cheeted all the
>> way up to ccie ,
>> but not narbik itself , i can tell this because he work
>> reflect through
>> knowledge in RnS areana .
>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 9:26 PM,
>> Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Iqbal,
>>>
>>> *Sir everything is
>> ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes the
>>> lab, cant prove
>> that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you *
>>> When i took the lab, we
>> did not have real labs or any other crap like that,
>>> so please do not EVEN
>> mention that, not even as an example, NEVER. You do
>>> not know me well enough.
>>>
>>> Have a good day sir.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Ovais Iqbal
>> <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Narbik,
>>>>
>>>> Dont take it
>> offensive but were you there with your students 24/7 in
>>> their
>>>> lives ? i
>> mean how can you be so sure that they didnt use any of the real
>>>> labs out
>> there ? just because they are hardworking and they performed
>>> well
>>>> in
>> your bootcamp/mock labs still leaves the fear that what if we fail the
>>>> lab
>> ? I am not saying your students (the one you mentioned) cheated but
>>>> sorry
>> there is no way they can ever prove they didnt. Period.
>>>> Now, as you
>> mentioned that they will surely be spotted in interview or
>>>> during their
>> job tasks ? Sorry but you are wrong here too. I know 3
>>>> engineers (my
>> fellow country man) whose resumes are by far most
>>> impressive
>>>> then many
>> so called GENUINE CCIEs, and they know their stuff. One of the
>>>> DUMPER (one
>> of these 3 guys) were interviewed by a pannel of 7 ppl (with
>>>> couple ccie's
>> among them) and he got selected. But he was a dumper !! so
>>>> where does your
>> theory goes now that he wont perform in the real life ?
>>> and
>>>> he was also
>> your student, cant take his name for obvious reasons now.
>>>> Sir
>> everything is ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes
>>> the
>> lab, cant prove that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you :-)
>>>>
>> Guys, this discussion has been raised so many times and everyone start
>> jumping in, claiming (indirectly almost) that they or their students
>>> never
>>>
>>> cheated or they dont even know that real labs exist.
>>>> No offense to
>> anyone :-)
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From:* Narbik
>> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>>> *To:* Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
>>>>
>> *Cc:* Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
>>> <
>>>
>>> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:42 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>> *Subject:* Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India
>>>> One of my students
>> proved to me that this guy is from India and he did
>>>> cheat in his written
>> exam, apparently he proudly mentioned it in one of
>>> his
>>>> posts in this
>> particular forum.
>>>> That is bad, this can make anyone angry. But please
>> don't be
>>> disappointed,
>>>> there are cheaters every where, but these guys do
>> not last long, because
>>>> sooner or later they have to find a job and they
>> will not be able to
>>>> perform at a CCIE level.
>>>>
>>>> Two of my students
>> passed recently without cheating at all:
>>>> *Kevin Huff #**35841*
>>>> *Amrik
>> Singh #35824*".
>>>>
>>>> These guys worked very hard, if you work hard you
>> will succeed, you don't
>>>> need to cheat at all.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012
>> at 8:17 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How do
>> you know that this guy is from India, China or Russia?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Narbik,
>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Narbik
>> Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Marko,
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Don't be tired of hearing the truth, first of all how do you know
>> where
>>>>>>> they are coming from?
>>>>>> Surely you're not
>> suggesting that there is no pattern in the origin of
>>>>>> the names of
>> people posting questions relating to dodgy CCIE
>>>>>> preparation material.
>> Surely.
>>>>>>> To name three countries with such conviction, means
>>>>>> that you know for sure. Remember that you need to be 100 percent
>> sure,
>>>>>>> besides, how do you know where they are being sold? Just
>> because the
>>>>>> guys
>>>>>>> name is Vikas it does not mean that it's
>> being sold in India, the
>>>> person
>>>>>>> might be Indian but he could be
>> selling them from another country.
>>>>>> Maybe, but how long do you
>> think the crooks would stay in business if
>>>>>> there is no demand? Kill the
>> demand in their biggest markets and you
>>>>>> destroy the viability of their
>> business.
>>>>>>> How do you differentiate an Indian name from a
>> Pakistani name?
>>>>>> Would you be happier with "Indian subcontinent"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Dale
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>> *Narbik Kocharians
>>>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S, SP, Security)
>>>>>
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>>>>> Sr.
>> Technical Instructor
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>>>>> A Cisco
>> Learning Partner
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
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>>>>
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>> <http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
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>>>>
>>>>
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