Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India

Oh why are you so angry :-)

i think a person screams when we hit his weak
spot ? was that the case with you ;-)

anyway, i will not be posting anymore
on this stuff.

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 From: qospf qospf
<cisco.qospf_at_gmail.com>
To: Ovais Iqbal <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>
Cc: Narbik
Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
<ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 9:52 AM
Subject: Re:
Groupbuy for passccielab in India
 

Ovais,

just shut up man. And quit
putting all those smiley faces. It's irritating.

If they're ur fellow
countrymen, then tell them to fear God...cuz He's watching them even if Cisco
isn't.

On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Ovais Iqbal
<ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Narbik,
>
>You passed the lab when
almost everyone was passing :-) The real
>labs were there. No matter how much
you want to deny it, they were there.
>
>I
>dont need to know you well enough
to make this statement. Its just a matter of
>fact. I am not saying you
cheated, but you can never prove you didnt :-)
>
>No
>offense narbik, this is
the way it is
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Narbik
Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>To: Ovais Iqbal
><ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com>
>Cc:
Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>; Marko
>Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>;
"ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
><ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, July 4,
2012 11:26 PM
>Subject: Re:
>
>Groupbuy for passccielab in India
>
>
>
>
>Iqbal,
>
>Sir everything is ambiguous and
>blurred now-a-days. Any one who
passes the lab, cant prove that they didnt use
>the real labs. Not even you
>
>
>When i took the lab, we did not have real labs
>or any other crap like
that, so please do not EVEN mention that, not even as
>an example, NEVER. You
do not know me well enough.
>
>Have a good day sir.
>On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at
11:12 AM, Ovais Iqbal <ovais.iqball_at_yahoo.com> wrote:
>Dear Narbik,
>>
>>
>>
>>Dont take it offensive but were you there with your
>students 24/7 in their
lives ? i mean how can you be so sure that they didnt
>use any of the real
labs out there ? just because they are hardworking and
>they performed well in
your bootcamp/mock labs still leaves the fear that what
>if we fail the lab ?
I am not saying your students (the one you mentioned)
>cheated but sorry there
is no way they can ever prove they didnt. Period.
>>
>>
>>Now, as you
mentioned that they will surely be spotted in interview or during
>their job
tasks ? Sorry but you are wrong here too. I know 3 engineers (my
>fellow
country man) whose resumes are by far most impressive then many so
>called
GENUINE CCIEs, and they know their stuff. One of the DUMPER (one of
>these 3
guys) were interviewed by a pannel of 7 ppl (with couple ccie's among
>them)
and he got selected. But he was a dumper !! so where does your theory
>goes
now that he wont perform in the real life ? and he was also your student,
>cant take his name for obvious reasons now.
>>
>>
>>
>>Sir everything is
ambiguous
>and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes the lab, cantprove that
they didnt
>
>use the real labs. Not even you :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>Guys, this
discussion has been
>raised so many times and everyone start jumping in,
claiming (indirectly
>almost) that they or their students never cheated or
they dont even know that
>real labs exist.
>>
>>
>>
>>No offense to anyone :-)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Narbik Kocharians
><narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>To: Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
>>Cc: Marko
>Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com"
><ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
>>Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:42 AM
>>
>>Subject:
>
>Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India
>>
>>
>>One of my students
proved to me
>that this guy is from India and he did
>>cheat in his written
exam, apparently
>he proudly mentioned it in one of his
>>posts in this
particular forum.
>>
>>That
>is bad, this can make anyone angry. But please
don't be disappointed,
>>there
>are cheaters every where, but these guys do
not last long, because
>>sooner or
>later they have to find a job and they
will not be able to
>>perform at a CCIE
>level.
>>
>>Two of my students passed
recently without cheating at all:
>>*Kevin
>Huff #**35841*
>>*Amrik Singh
#35824*".
>>
>>
>>These guys worked very hard, if
>you work hard you will
succeed, you don't
>>need to cheat at all.
>>
>>On Tue,
>Jul 3, 2012 at 8:17
PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How
>do you know that
this guy is from India, China or Russia?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue,
>Jul 3, 2012
at 7:50 PM,
> Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>Narbik,
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Narbik Kocharians
><narbikk_at_gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Marko,
>>>> >
>>>> > Don't be tired of
>hearing the truth,
first of all how do you know where
>>>> > they are coming
>from?
>>>>
>>>>
Surely you're not suggesting that there is no pattern in the
>origin of
>>>>
the names of people posting questions relating to dodgy CCIE
>>>>
>preparation
material. Surely.
>>>>
>>>> > To name three countries with such
>conviction,
means
>>>> > that you know for sure. Remember that you need to be
>100 percent
sure,
>>>> > besides, how do you know where they are being sold?
>Just because
the
>>>> guys
>>>> > name is Vikas it does not mean that it's being
>sold in
India, the person
>>>> > might be Indian but he could be selling them
>from
another country.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe, but how long do you think the crooks
>would
stay in business if
>>>> there is no demand? Kill the demand in their
>biggest
markets and you
>>>> destroy the viability of their business.
>>>>
>>>> >
>How
do you differentiate an Indian name from a Pakistani name?
>>>>
>>>> Would
>you be happier with "Indian subcontinent"?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Narbik Kocharians
>>> *CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410 (R&S,
SP, Security)
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<http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>
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>Technical Instructor
>>> YES!
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>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>*Narbik Kocharians
>>*CCSI#30832, CCIE# 12410
>(R&S, SP, Security)
>>*www.MicronicsTraining.com*
><http://www.micronicstraining.com/>
>>
>>Sr.
Technical Instructor
>>YES! We take
>Cisco Learning Credits!
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>>
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>
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>
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