Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India

Amen to Peter!!

(And for clarity, I agree that to much of this group efforts is wasted on
useless requests from people that do not deserve answers)

-Carl

On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Peter Alston <palston_at_gmail.com> wrote:

> Seriously, it is shit like this that makes me want to leave this group...
>
> Please, stop talking about this useless rubbish and lets move on... some
> of us are actually trying to study and learn from one another... all this
> talk about cheaters and the value of the certification is just stupid...
>
> we are all here for a reason on groupSTUDY... and that is to help one
> another study and learn to be better engineers!
>
>
> On 4 Jul 2012, at 19:12, Ovais Iqbal wrote:
>
> > Dear Narbik,
> >
> >
> > Dont take it offensive but were you there with your students 24/7 in
> their lives ? i mean how can you be so sure that they didnt use any of the
> real labs out there ? just because they are hardworking and they performed
> well in your bootcamp/mock labs still leaves the fear that what if we fail
> the lab ? I am not saying your students (the one you mentioned) cheated but
> sorry there is no way they can ever prove they didnt. Period.
> >
> > Now, as you mentioned that they will surely be spotted in interview or
> during their job tasks ? Sorry but you are wrong here too. I know 3
> engineers (my fellow country man) whose resumes are by far most impressive
> then many so called GENUINE CCIEs, and they know their stuff. One of the
> DUMPER (one of these 3 guys) were interviewed by a pannel of 7 ppl (with
> couple ccie's among them) and he got selected. But he was a dumper !! so
> where does your theory goes now that he wont perform in the real life ? and
> he was also your student, cant take his name for obvious reasons now.
> >
> >
> > Sir everything is ambiguous and blurred now-a-days. Any one who passes
> the lab, cantprove that they didnt use the real labs. Not even you :-)
> >
> >
> > Guys, this discussion has been raised so many times and everyone start
> jumping in, claiming (indirectly almost) that they or their students never
> cheated or they dont even know that real labs exist.
> >
> >
> > No offense to anyone :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> > To: Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com>
> > Cc: Marko Milivojevic <markom_at_ipexpert.com>; "ccielab_at_groupstudy.com" <
> ccielab_at_groupstudy.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: Groupbuy for passccielab in India
> >
> > One of my students proved to me that this guy is from India and he did
> > cheat in his written exam, apparently he proudly mentioned it in one of
> his
> > posts in this particular forum.
> >
> > That is bad, this can make anyone angry. But please don't be
> disappointed,
> > there are cheaters every where, but these guys do not last long, because
> > sooner or later they have to find a job and they will not be able to
> > perform at a CCIE level.
> >
> > Two of my students passed recently without cheating at all:
> > *Kevin Huff #**35841*
> > *Amrik Singh #35824*".
> >
> > These guys worked very hard, if you work hard you will succeed, you don't
> > need to cheat at all.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> How do you know that this guy is from India, China or Russia?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Dale Shaw <dale.shaw_at_gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Narbik,
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Narbik Kocharians <narbikk_at_gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Marko,
> >>>>
> >>>> Don't be tired of hearing the truth, first of all how do you know
> where
> >>>> they are coming from?
> >>>
> >>> Surely you're not suggesting that there is no pattern in the origin of
> >>> the names of people posting questions relating to dodgy CCIE
> >>> preparation material. Surely.
> >>>
> >>>> To name three countries with such conviction, means
> >>>> that you know for sure. Remember that you need to be 100 percent sure,
> >>>> besides, how do you know where they are being sold? Just because the
> >>> guys
> >>>> name is Vikas it does not mean that it's being sold in India, the
> person
> >>>> might be Indian but he could be selling them from another country.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe, but how long do you think the crooks would stay in business if
> >>> there is no demand? Kill the demand in their biggest markets and you
> >>> destroy the viability of their business.
> >>>
> >>>> How do you differentiate an Indian name from a Pakistani name?
> >>>
> >>> Would you be happier with "Indian subcontinent"?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Dale
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
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